A new Group for us all to unite behind

[Ratman2 2]

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Classic we think alike mate.

[Guest oneredtrim]

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Edited March 12, 2008 by oneredtrim

[Andrea 2]

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Classic we think alike mate.

 

I doubt that ratman, the level of activity in your brain is so low, it’s pretty unlikely you could ever have the capacity to think like anyone else.

I also think you confused my last message. I not saying you’re a bloke or even a boy, I’m saying you’re a bitch.

[Guest markbrick1]

Some of you may have seen the thread pinned at the top of this forum concerning field sports/country organisations.

 

There is a lot of information in there, as well as in the sporting press and eleswhere about the need for a cohesive stance on "pro hunting" from the organisations we are all members of; indead they acknowledge it themselves and pretend to join forces for this or that piece of legislation; but while they have dedicated areas of expertese and wish to fight to protect their little corner of field sports, we as a hunting population will never be united to fight and win over public opinion of what we do, and I think we all know deep down that what the public at large think and feel is important, its just unfortunate that when it comes to field sports that in the main it is based on missinformation, half truths, lies and apathy.

 

Its time something was done to address this; without trying to fight the recognised organisation into uniting. They play valid and important roles, but we as sporting folk have no unity in the cause and need to come together to do what we can, people from all corners of the field sports world to teach, inform, show and persuade the public that what we do is legal, right, helthy, clean, important, fun and NOT cruel; especially when compared with other more accepted forms of animal cruelty that are nothing to do with hunting or field sports.

 

I propose the formation of a club; an organisation (not another one!!!?) in which we can all unite, to help atchieve this end. This club will not provide you with insurance policies or anything else that the likes of BASC or the CA does, it is not intended to compete against them. What it will do is unite everyone, regardless of type of hunting sport, regardless of "class" or family income, weather they are from rural, suburban or urban backgrounds; it will go out and activly encourage new participation in our sports, organise local, regional and national events and open days to promote what we do; it will market field sports to the public. It wil be a club/organisation run by volunteers in which everyone can have a say, and everyone and anyone can get involved.

 

I would propose that it be run as a registered charity or not for profit organisation, with a reprasentative board made up of members that encompass not only all field sports but all classes and that the board works with small comitees in each region of the UK (and N I) to work towards a defined set of goals

 

I would like some feedback on this idea, if you think it a good one, that moght work, that it will never work, that it could work if it was done like this or like that......anything, please; its time something was done to bring us all together!

 

Thanks, Chris

i for one dont think a united front would work now??????????????????????i like to carry on like i have for the last 40 yrs i can tell you what i think,, if shooting is banned like what they have done to hunting with dogs esp lurchers as thats what IAM mainly interested in the shooting faternity would want us to get involved with them to help em, but would they support us ?do they support us and if yes in which way...............every shooter i know and i know a few if its the rifleman, stalking, the syndicate man, are the pheasant man they dont give a feck about lurchers and i dont them anymore,there out there for themselves and my feedback if there was one fieldsport to be sacrificed it would be lurchers,see were at the bottom of the list when it comes to class and it will never change i support all fieldsports especally with dogs but one thing i cant stand is class distinction,mark

[bill88 6]

[i for one dont think a united front would work now??????????????????????i like to carry on like i have for the last 40 yrs i can tell you what i think,, if shooting is banned like what they have done to hunting with dogs esp lurchers as thats what IAM mainly interested in the shooting faternity would want us to get involved with them to help em, but would they support us ?do they support us and if yes in which way...............every shooter i know and i know a few if its the rifleman, stalking, the syndicate man, are the pheasant man they dont give a feck about lurchers and i dont them anymore,there out there for themselves and my feedback if there was one fieldsport to be sacrificed it would be lurchers,see were at the bottom of the list when it comes to class and it will never change i support all fieldsports especally with dogs but one thing i cant stand is class distinction,mark

 

Spot on Mark.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

The apathy on this forum is disgusting.

[Guest markbrick1]

The apathy on this forum is disgusting.

what do you mean????????chris

[fish 148]

Some of you may have seen the thread pinned at the top of this forum concerning field sports/country organisations.

 

There is a lot of information in there, as well as in the sporting press and eleswhere about the need for a cohesive stance on "pro hunting" from the organisations we are all members of; indead they acknowledge it themselves and pretend to join forces for this or that piece of legislation; but while they have dedicated areas of expertese and wish to fight to protect their little corner of field sports, we as a hunting population will never be united to fight and win over public opinion of what we do, and I think we all know deep down that what the public at large think and feel is important, its just unfortunate that when it comes to field sports that in the main it is based on missinformation, half truths, lies and apathy.

 

Its time something was done to address this; without trying to fight the recognised organisation into uniting. They play valid and important roles, but we as sporting folk have no unity in the cause and need to come together to do what we can, people from all corners of the field sports world to teach, inform, show and persuade the public that what we do is legal, right, helthy, clean, important, fun and NOT cruel; especially when compared with other more accepted forms of animal cruelty that are nothing to do with hunting or field sports.

 

I propose the formation of a club; an organisation (not another one!!!?) in which we can all unite, to help atchieve this end. This club will not provide you with insurance policies or anything else that the likes of BASC or the CA does, it is not intended to compete against them. What it will do is unite everyone, regardless of type of hunting sport, regardless of "class" or family income, weather they are from rural, suburban or urban backgrounds; it will go out and activly encourage new participation in our sports, organise local, regional and national events and open days to promote what we do; it will market field sports to the public. It wil be a club/organisation run by volunteers in which everyone can have a say, and everyone and anyone can get involved.

 

I would propose that it be run as a registered charity or not for profit organisation, with a reprasentative board made up of members that encompass not only all field sports but all classes and that the board works with small comitees in each region of the UK (and N I) to work towards a defined set of goals

 

I would like some feedback on this idea, if you think it a good one, that moght work, that it will never work, that it could work if it was done like this or like that......anything, please; its time something was done to bring us all together!

 

Thanks, Chris

i for one dont think a united front would work now??????????????????????i like to carry on like i have for the last 40 yrs i can tell you what i think,, if shooting is banned like what they have done to hunting with dogs esp lurchers as thats what IAM mainly interested in the shooting faternity would want us to get involved with them to help em, but would they support us ?do they support us and if yes in which way...............every shooter i know and i know a few if its the rifleman, stalking, the syndicate man, are the pheasant man they dont give a feck about lurchers and i dont them anymore,there out there for themselves and my feedback if there was one fieldsport to be sacrificed it would be lurchers,see were at the bottom of the list when it comes to class and it will never change i support all fieldsports especally with dogs but one thing i cant stand is class distinction,mark

your dead right there bud and its not just the shooting faternity.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Someone passionately wants to help safeguard fieldsports. On a hunting forum that should be encouraged. Instead he's pulled down in a multi post extravaganza.

 

This isn't aimed at anyone in particular but in a time when we should be uniting we have yet another public thread where we're all falling out...

 

This pattern is being repeated throughout The Hunting Life. With the bickering now outnumbering the hunting we can only wonder whether there is an agenda at work?

[Guest WILF]

The apathy on this forum is disgusting.

 

Hold on my friend..........the guy has no credability, not a long standing member and IMHO a bit of a dreamer (no offence meant TSA) least thats how he comes across.

 

Now if someone such as Molly, Yourself, STABS came up with such an idea, then it would get my full backing because I know that you all walk the walk..........

 

I think that is the major stumbling block mate, lack of cred.............

[Guest markbrick1]

i know its not fish,put it like this if it was just hare coarsing and lurcher work that got banned that would be it finished, cause nobody would support us like we support them,dont get me wrong one of the worst things to happen was foxhunting being banned,it was wrong but would the horay henrys on the nice horses sitting behind there city desks support lurcher work,??????????????half dont know what it is,and before anyone gives me the usuall shit i know theres some proper country folk who hunt,but the same goes for the shooters they see you on there land with are without permission,and land meaning there permission they look down on you with there tweed jacket and springer spanial and me with my 2 lurchers,they dont support our sport they loath it they would have it banned tomorrow why cause they brush us all with the same brush,and they are blind to it,and we want a united front, mark

[Guest Leveller]

Howbout if this man came up with the idea, would you back it then wilf?

 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

I appreciate the concerns of all involved. If his credibility is the only issue then at least hear his ideas out because he does have a point.

 

We need unity. Either through the support of an existing group or the formation of another.

 

I'd propose a sub-forum, here, that concentrates on these issues alone. Where people can voice these concerns and hash out quality ideas to tackle a very real problem.

 

If people want to get involved, off the field to improve our chances, then they should be given a platform to do so.

 

Sorry but reading this thread I wouldn't be surprised if TSA wanted to jack it in. In 2008 we need people like him active or we risk surrendering this forum to the knuckle dragging fu*kwits that seem to have made it their home.

 

It seems this forum either nurtures ideas or neuters them.

[Guest WILF]

THE MAN, THE LEGEND!!...........of course I would back him, he is the real deal..........lol

Edited March 12, 2008 by WILF

[Ratman2 2]

Well, I've just caught up with the thread; I guess that answers that question then!

 

But anyone who questions my integriry or desire for wanting to make a change can f**k right off; I don't see anyone else trying to do anything. Maybe I got the idea wrong, maybe not, but something has to be done.

 

Now now! calm down , heres my take on it.

 

 

The idea in principal is a good one, in practice it would probably be impossible to implement. The cost of just getting the idea of the ground would run into many thousands of pounds, staff and premises, phone lines and promotional advertising, membership forms etc. Please don’t suggest that meetings could be held in a pub, if just 1% of people involved in shooting, country and field sports joined up, a damn great conference hall would be needed to hold a meeting. I accept that no insurance is to be offered but public liability cover for ‘The Club’ would be needed. Legal advice and representation would also have to be taken in to the equation. Also, as potential members of ‘The Club’ would still need to have membership of one of the other sporting bodies to maintain their insurance cover and other benefits, would they be willing to pay yet another fee to join yet another sporting body. I personally would not, and nor would I submit my personal details to an unknown body.

To amalgamate all sporting interests would open up all sorts of problems, the needs and interests of an angler are miles away from that of a shooter and so on, the laws and regulations covering each activity are, in many cases, different in England, Scotland and Ireland. I believe Wales is covered by England’s regulations but please tell me if I’m wrong.

I’m not sure of the legalities of setting ‘The Club’ up as a charity either, as I feel it would be seen as a representational body rather than a charity.

Sorry but it’s a non starter for me.