Guest WILF Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 You're right WILF but this could be more about getting people to work towards a common goal rather than take funds to try and bribe people. Enough volunteers could see the flow of information improve and allow people to log in and see where their attention is required. Telling people how to approach their local MP's is a start as I'd bet that many don't even know who they are. At least 1 in 3 haven't a clue. From this forum alone that ratio equates to over 2300. Keeping people up to date and discussing the stuff that matters trying to get the attention in the right areas... is a start. Pulling teeth and political corruption is quite a way away and usually starts when these organisations vote themselves salaried positions within the organisations. All for more info my friend.............and yes I would support anything that was heading in the right direction with the right intentions........ As for approaching my local MP..........I doubt seriously that would do me much good..........my MP is Angela Smith, labour nutcase and formerly something important at LACS............her sister is still one of the top jonnys at LACS............lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zap 4 Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 wilf thats were the head lock comes in handy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted March 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I am. At least, I'll try. Hmm.......thats a big statement TSA...........well?............you have pulled the trigger now, lets just hope you havent shot yourself? I'm a bad shot, don't worry. I have some ideas, have for a while. Think they need a bit of sharpening up before the feelers get sent out, but I think its time something was done! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pritch 335 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 where is the none option if the vast majority are not members of any it means non of these organisations are giving us what we want & the poll should reflect this we need a organisation that represents us all not just o e faction DIVIDED WE FALL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 All for more info my friend.............and yes I would support anything that was heading in the right direction with the right intentions........ As for approaching my local MP..........I doubt seriously that would do me much good..........my MP is Angela Smith, labour nutcase and formerly something important at LACS............her sister is still one of the top jonnys at LACS............lol I agree with you. Maybe approaching your local MP might not work but publicising her connections, with extreme animal rights activists, would? Also who can they approach that supports us? I'm a bad shot, don't worry. I have some ideas, have for a while. Think they need a bit of sharpening up before the feelers get sent out, but I think its time something was done! Again I agree... it's worth pursuing because there is clearly an interest even at this early stage. Fact is people see the mess this has made and genuinely want to help... I'm sure you'll have volunteers as your plans are gradually revealed. where is the none option if the vast majority are not members of any it means non of these organisations are giving us what we want & the poll should reflect this we need a organisation that represents us all not just o e faction DIVIDED WE FALL I think we're in agreement with you as well. These groups aren't reflecting our needs and something needs to change. I'd go as far as saying that is a conscious effort to divide us as it serves the financial and political aims of some. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 where is the none option if the vast majority are not members of any it means non of these organisations are giving us what we want & the poll should reflect this we need a organisation that represents us all not just o e faction DIVIDED WE FALL Having representation for ALL is just exactly the idea. I didn't put a "None" option on the poll as in my experiance (I do have some!) most hunters are a member of some organisation or other; even if its just the Pony Club!! I don't think the need is for yet another organisation that rapes us of £50 for a bit of advise on this or that, a lot of political infighting with the other organisations and the odd PR coup; what I think is needed is a group/organisation/associatio, call it what you will, that represents ALL field sports participants equally, that promotes and encourages participation and introduces the sports to the public, that organises events to unite, support and promote this way of life to other, that educates about the culture, the benefit to the economy, and becomes a reprasentative publicisty machine for everyone involved in ALL aspects of country sports to unite behind as one voice, while still getting their individual benefit from whatever organisation they subscribe to, the CLA for landowners, BASC for game shots etc etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Well I'll help where I can, TSA. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zap 4 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 like i say i,m a bit thick but will it be a problem scotland being on our own now ? or are we talking the whole country are we all going together ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Well I'll help where I can, TSA. Thanks, it would be great to see something develop from this over time. Someone pointed out (it may have been you Chris not sure) the diferance in support/membership between us (this forum and others like it and all the organisations) and them (LACS as an example). We far far outnumber the antis, yet we get much worse press and are at war with each other and their smaller membership is working much better. Why? Well. I believe its because the members of LACS (and other antis) regardless of why they hate us and want to ban field sports, all have a common goal - to ban "blood sports". That is their ultimate goal, weather their individual reason is "toff bashing", that they think its cruel, they may be vegetarian, they may be anti all things animal e.g testing etc, whatever it is ultimatly they want "us" banned, and they unite and are cohesive in that belief. Why are we, with much more support, not getting the voise accross? Because we are coming at it the other way around. What is important to us as individuals is our reasons, "I shoot", "I hunt", "I run dogs" etc, and we fight that corner not the end goal of strengthening field sports. They unite behind the comon desire regardless of reasoning; we are split because of our reasoning and cant agree or see the common end goal. Because BASC, CA, CLA, et al are not alowing us to and as individuals we go with that, look after our own and complain about the rest. Something will happen. It will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 like i say i,m a bit thick but will it be a problem scotland being on our own now ? or are we talking the whole country are we all going together ? The UK is the UK. End of. Wales has an assembly of its own, but heh, we are all in this together in my eyes. Though not tomorrow on the rugby field!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Well I'll help where I can, TSA. Thanks, it would be great to see something develop from this over time. Someone pointed out (it may have been you Chris not sure) the diferance in support/membership between us (this forum and others like it and all the organisations) and them (LACS as an example). We far far outnumber the antis, yet we get much worse press and are at war with each other and their smaller membership is working much better. Why? Well. I believe its because the members of LACS (and other antis) regardless of why they hate us and want to ban field sports, all have a common goal - to ban "blood sports". That is their ultimate goal, weather their individual reason is "toff bashing", that they think its cruel, they may be vegetarian, they may be anti all things animal e.g testing etc, whatever it is ultimatly they want "us" banned, and they unite and are cohesive in that belief. Why are we, with much more support, not getting the voise accross? Because we are coming at it the other way around. What is important to us as individuals is our reasons, "I shoot", "I hunt", "I run dogs" etc, and we fight that corner not the end goal of strengthening field sports. They unite behind the comon desire regardless of reasoning; we are split because of our reasoning and cant agree or see the common end goal. Because BASC, CA, CLA, et al are not alowing us to and as individuals we go with that, look after our own and complain about the rest. Something will happen. It will. I totaly agree TSA, I also think that any type of unity for field sports needs to be driven from the bottom up, get the 'foot soldiers' on board, lurcher & terrier folk, the people 'en mass' at the marches. I feel we've been tossed aside far far to many times by the likes of the BASC etc. It sounds a bit like Kev Costner in Field of Dreams......"Build it an they will come"........I'd like to think so. For me its the NWTF and the work Barry Wade does. If any organisation speaks for the likes of myself this is it. I wish you well... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I totaly agree TSA, I also think that any type of unity for field sports needs to be driven from the bottom up, get the 'foot soldiers' on board, lurcher & terrier folk, the people 'en mass' at the marches. I feel we've been tossed aside far far to many times by the likes of the BASC etc.It sounds a bit like Kev Costner in Field of Dreams......"Build it an they will come"........I'd like to think so.For me its the NWTF and the work Barry Wade does. If any organisation speaks for the likes of myself this is it. I wish you well... Agree with you; I happen to be a member of BASC, CA, & CLA, each for its own reason but I totally agree with your coment above and the sentiment behind it. Get the mass involved, get them all united and show the good that our sports do...get into schools, town centres, markets, concerts, talks, displays the lot; it all helps, but most of all, the one thing we cal all do regardless of income or chosen sport? Invite a friend who isn't from a field sports background to join us for a days sport.......widen the numbers and show people first hand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pritch 335 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 (edited) I'm glad to hear you've got some experience so what is it telling you,this what your poll is telling me at the time of writing 348 people have taken the time to view this topic & 25 have voted so 323 people either couldn't be arsed or are not a member of any of the organisations listed & if they have taken the time to view the posts they would probably take the half a second it takes to enter the poll, that means only 1 in every 14 of the viewers of this topic is a member of the listed associations & the other 13 out of 14 are not represented & as for the fecking pony club your avin a laugh & it just goes to show the great divide an all encompassing organisation would have to cover. YIS Pritch Edited March 8, 2008 by pritch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Sporting Agent 0 Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I'm glad to hear you've got some experience so what is it telling you,this what your poll is telling me at the time of writing 348 people have taken the time to view this topic & 25 have voted so 323 people either couldn't be arsed or are not a member of any of the organisations listed & if they have taken the time to view the posts they would probably take the half a second it takes to enter the poll, that means only 1 in every 14 of the viewers of this topic is a member of the listedassociations & the other 13 out of 14 are not represented & as for the fecking pony club your avin a laugh & it just goes to show the great divide an all encompassing organisation would have to cover. YIS Pritch I hear what you are saying; as a guide your probabilities are one theory, a strong one but a theory none the less. The poll does not show that 13 out of 14 are not represented at all like you suggest, its a posibility but its not a fact. Also your fig for total views compared with those voted it's not totally acurate, many of us have visited the thread on multiple occasions, thus the counter increases while the same people are viewing the thread, some of those 300odd visits are multiples from the same person. The Pony Club? Of course I was having a laugh; making light of the fact that there are so many such organisations; that said don't dismiss them. I'm sure many a jockey started out with them, moved to pointers via hunting and worked up! You are right about the scope of encompassing such a broad spectrum of sporting enthusiasts, but I'm not suggesting launching yet another "association" that does the same as all the others, to represent and provide service to members of a specific sector of field sports or even a specialist service to ALL types of enthusiasts. What I'm trying to get at, and I think most on the thread got the bones of the idea, is a group/pressure group, whatever you want to describe it as, that is made up of people from all field sports backgrounds that works towards a comon goal of unity, promoting that unity by organising events, displays, talks, school visits, concerts, whatever to show exactly what ALL field sports do not just for us as individuals but for the countryside, the economy, conservation etc. What I'm thinking of is nothing to do with the existing recognised organisations. Don't dismiss it untill you see it (if anything comes of this). It would just be an entity for us all to unite under; not a club for shooters or dog men. A floating banner for us all to wave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bill88 6 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 The answer to this problem is blatantly obvious.Contact the organisations and get them to publicly state there views HERE! I for one would love to hear them,especially from an organisation that turned its back on Lurcher and Terriermen ,in order to try and safeguard there own sport. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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