dickyboy 1 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 to be honest i only really know about 22cf bullets and there effect, i did a defra conference and was told about the 270 rule, so was just passing that on, but being that defra have only really just admitted that there are boar in GB then could take a while to come in! Never shot more than roe and know from finding a wounded deer while out foxing that a 22cf is certainly capable of roe....the stalker who tells me stuff, which is often sh*te reckons 243 struggle with fallow but then so many shoot red etc with it i presume hes doing what he does best!!!! But it is all about that bullet placement and thats what a bigger calibre guards against if it goes wrong it should still work and leave a trail not every shot will always go right!! Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 (edited) to be honest i only really know about CF bullets and there effect, i did a defray conference and was told about the 270 rule, so was just passing that on, but being that defray have only really just admitted that there are boar in GB then could take a while to come in! Never shot more than roe and know from finding a wounded deer while out foxing that a CF is certainly capable of roe....the stalker who tells me stuff, which is often sh*Te reckons 243 struggle with fallow but then so many shoot red etc with it i presume hes doing what he does best!!!! But it is all about that bullet placement and thats what a bigger calibre guards against if it goes wrong it should still work and leave a trail not every shot will always go right!! Some interesting comments here,many of which I totally concur with. If this stalker struggles with Fallow and .243 he should consider another occupation, put bluntly, it's Pratt's like him that not only give us all a bad name but lead to even more ridiculous legislation being introduced!!! I totally agree that not every shot goes right but ANY .22CF put in the right place will EASILY stop ANY deer!!! Everyone seems to forget that one of the prime and original reasons for the .22Hornet (550-750ft lb) was DEER! Yes, we MUST be fair and reasonable to our quarry, nobody wants an injured animal running off to die slowly but the general attitude of officialdom of ramping up and up the calibre and power so it still dies quick even when it's shot up the arse is stupid! And as for blood trails Edited March 16, 2008 by Deker Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 I totally agree that not every shot goes right but ANY .22CF put in the right place will EASILY stop ANY deer!!! Everyone seems to forget that one of the prime and original reasons for the .22Hornet (550-750ft lb) was DEER! I see your Hornet education is working then Seriously though, my 45gr softpoint ammunition must be designed for deer, because it doesn't expand at all in anything else. Speaking of which, does anyone know where I can get 46gr hollowpoint Hornet ammo at the moment?! Quote Link to post
James@Scarborough 0 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 I have used soft points in .222. Never again Give me BT or HP any time . Quote Link to post
FJager 0 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 to be honest i only really know about CF bullets and there effect, i did a defray conference and was told about the 270 rule, so was just passing that on, but being that defray have only really just admitted that there are boar in GB then could take a while to come in! Never shot more than roe and know from finding a wounded deer while out foxing that a CF is certainly capable of roe....the stalker who tells me stuff, which is often sh*Te reckons 243 struggle with fallow but then so many shoot red etc with it i presume hes doing what he does best!!!! But it is all about that bullet placement and thats what a bigger calibre guards against if it goes wrong it should still work and leave a trail not every shot will always go right!! Some interesting comments here,many of which I totally concur with. If this stalker struggles with Fallow and .243 he should consider another occupation, put bluntly, it's Pratt's like him that not only give us all a bad name but lead to even more ridiculous legislation being introduced!!! I totally agree that not every shot goes right but ANY .22CF put in the right place will EASILY stop ANY deer!!! Everyone seems to forget that one of the prime and original reasons for the .22Hornet (550-750ft lb) was DEER! Yes, we MUST be fair and reasonable to our quarry, nobody wants an injured animal running off to die slowly but the general attitude of officialdom of ramping up and up the calibre and power so it still dies quick even when it's shot up the arse is stupid! And as for blood trails Yes Deker I totally agree, a .243 struggling with Fallow, where is he shooting them, the hoof. If you shoot a Red stag square in the shoulder blade with a PSP the chances of it coming out the other side are bloody minimal. From side on the point of aim should either be the head, high neck or low in the chest behind the front leg (heart). Shooting the shoulder only absorbs to much energy into bone and damages far too much meat. Obviously using these points of aim and a fast stepping .22 you will not have much trouble. James interested in hearing the problems you had with soft points. Quote Link to post
James@Scarborough 0 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I shot a fox cub with one, and it fully gutted it, but it was not an instant kill. The bullet missed the heart, and didn't expand enough to do the job "cleanly" . I also found that the grouping was not as good as other rounds. Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I shot a fox cub with one, and it fully gutted it, but it was not an instant kill. The bullet missed the heart, and didn't expand enough to do the job "cleanly" . I also found that the grouping was not as good as other rounds. Hi James I'm a bit lost now, what round in what form are you refering to? Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 PSP in .222, see the previous post mate. James, I agree, the soft points haven't done the job well on foxy, just go straight through for me. The head shots have done the job but only one body shot did the biz, and we didn't check the internals then. for me, I need to find either hollow point or plastic tip, because I trust them. Rare as hen's teeth in 22 Hornet around these parts (I bought everyone's stock when I got the rifle, and they haven't got any more, I am left with 400 ft lb S & B as my only choice and they are low power soft point, so very rubbish!!) Quote Link to post
James@Scarborough 0 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Have you concidered reloading your bullets? Or perhaps an upgrade to .223? Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Can't reload as no room in my tiny shoebox for the reloading gear 223 will soon be on my ticket, but I still need the Hornet at the moment, as one of the landowners I know doesn't want 223 using, annoyingly. Tbh I am thinking I will go all the way to 243 since I want to shoot deer and I can't really afford both rifles right now. Quote Link to post
James@Scarborough 0 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Hornet but not .223, like it really makes that much difference. :wacko: I'm doing the same re. the .243. I can't afford both (I can't afford either yet) so it's one-for-all this time. Variation is in.....next stop Remington 700 CDL left hand .243. Quote Link to post
jamie g 17 Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Hello evryone i have just put in a variation for my 22.250 for fox i really hope i get it i cant wait to here back from them. I already have a .22 rimmy so all i need is a yes. any look mate ? have you got it now ? Quote Link to post
James@Scarborough 0 Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 My variation is back now after 1 week. .243 will be purchased soon. Quote Link to post
stork 1 Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Will have it in 2 weeks then im going to save somw cash for the hole set up Good scope rifle moderator Quote Link to post
jamie g 17 Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Will have it in 2 weeks then im going to save somw cash for the hole set up Good scope rifle moderator nice one mate Quote Link to post
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