Training Collars

[kiwi 4]

e collars are nothing more than a invisable check cord and should be used as such.

they have a place in todays modern world and save alot of frustration and confusion to both the dog and the handler,so long as the handler is trained in it's proper use...the americans have lead the way in e collar's and training with the collar, why turn your back on new age methods.

i've never met a dog smart enough to make the connection with you pushing a button and the dog getting a slight zap to correct it....

[Holland 0]

Not really the point.

 

Electric shock treatment is not new techonolgy, rather more dated torture.

 

The fact that the Americans are so keen on this method illustrates this point beautifuly!

[askiro 1]

hi there

i must agree with ESS about the collars, if you take the dog to an enclosed space I.E a tennis court or fenced area let him scamper about a while then give him the recall whistle. if he doesn't return get after him then give him a sharp tug towards you with the whistle 3-4 times.

sit him up move away about 10yrd and recall him .

this will work much better than a collar as he will soon realise when you don't use the collar and revert back to bad habits. Its all about consistancy.

good luck

[kiwi 4]

harden up mate

they have a place, i'd rather use a collar these days for stocktraining than the old methods of a beating and thrashing the crap out of a dog..

the term electic shock treatment is both offensive and shows how blind you are to the use of them.

i used to be anti them myself don't get me wrong, but i think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill here.

i have a set that i used for stocktraining an older dog, set in her ways on sheep and selective hearing on the recall the results i got from two zaps were unreal, and it was not even set to 1/4, fact the vibrate function is even better as they learn very fast

training the handler when/how or if to use a collar is the big question...some dog owners should not have access to these tools fullstop.

[Guest ESS]

e collars are nothing more than a invisable check cord and should be used as such.

they have a place in todays modern world and save alot of frustration and confusion to both the dog and the handler,so long as the handler is trained in it's proper use...the americans have lead the way in e collar's and training with the collar, why turn your back on new age methods.

i've never met a dog smart enough to make the connection with you pushing a button and the dog getting a slight zap to correct it....

 

With certain breeds as I stated in earlier post I would imagine they could have a place,but not for Spaniels and Labs.The starting point of the thread was a dog which ignores the recall,knows it but chooses to ignore it

 

i've never met a dog smart enough to make the connection with you pushing a button and the dog getting a slight zap to correct it.

 

T

 

No never have I,but I am sure that in this case that the dog wouldnt have a clue why its getting zapped And to be honest Kiwi you hit the nail on the head when you stated as long as the handlers been trained in its proper use..unless you handled or trained dogs ,what makes you think that a e collar in inexperienced hands wont just make the dogs behaviour worse.

Regards ESS.

[askiro 1]

i have trained many spaniels to competition winning standards without ever having to resort to electrocuting them, and the dogs have been amongst 100's of pheasants an upteen rabbits without the dogs chasing and coming back when called,

i know the method i mentioned earlier works on the hardest of springers as these dogs have been bred for there trainability , in this country anyway

[kiwi 4]

e collars are nothing more than a invisable check cord and should be used as such.

they have a place in todays modern world and save alot of frustration and confusion to both the dog and the handler,so long as the handler is trained in it's proper use...the americans have lead the way in e collar's and training with the collar, why turn your back on new age methods.

i've never met a dog smart enough to make the connection with you pushing a button and the dog getting a slight zap to correct it....

 

With certain breeds as I stated in earlier post I would imagine they could have a place,but not for Spaniels and Labs.The starting point of the thread was a dog which ignores the recall,knows it but chooses to ignore it

 

i've never met a dog smart enough to make the connection with you pushing a button and the dog getting a slight zap to correct it.

 

T

 

No never have I,but I am sure that in this case that the dog wouldnt have a clue why its getting zapped And to be honest Kiwi you hit the nail on the head when you stated as long as the handlers been trained in its proper use..unless you handled or trained dogs ,what makes you think that a e collar in inexperienced hands wont just make the dogs behaviour worse.

Regards ESS.

an e collar in the wrong hands will ruin a dog as quick as beating it.

they have many good uses like any tool, but in the wrong hands can do more harm than good.

for an inexperienced trainer the tempation to rely on a collar to train rather than proven training methods is something to avoid.....you do need some dog skills to get the most out of a e collar, to an inexperienced trainer they have no place unless under the guidence of someone who can advise if it's use will help the problem.

[Guest ESS]

e collars are nothing more than a invisable check cord and should be used as such.

they have a place in todays modern world and save alot of frustration and confusion to both the dog and the handler,so long as the handler is trained in it's proper use...the americans have lead the way in e collar's and training with the collar, why turn your back on new age methods.

i've never met a dog smart enough to make the connection with you pushing a button and the dog getting a slight zap to correct it....

 

With certain breeds as I stated in earlier post I would imagine they could have a place,but not for Spaniels and Labs.The starting point of the thread was a dog which ignores the recall,knows it but chooses to ignore it

 

i've never met a dog smart enough to make the connection with you pushing a button and the dog getting a slight zap to correct it.

 

T

 

No never have I,but I am sure that in this case that the dog wouldnt have a clue why its getting zapped And to be honest Kiwi you hit the nail on the head when you stated as long as the handlers been trained in its proper use..unless you handled or trained dogs ,what makes you think that a e collar in inexperienced hands wont just make the dogs behaviour worse.

Regards ESS.

an e collar in the wrong hands will ruin a dog as quick as beating it.

they have many good uses like any tool, but in the wrong hands can do more harm than good.

for an inexperienced trainer the tempation to rely on a collar to train rather than proven training methods is something to avoid.....you do need some dog skills to get the most out of a e collar, to an inexperienced trainer they have no place unless under the guidence of someone who can advise if it's use will help the problem.

spot on you explained what i was trying to say

Edited March 10, 2008 by ESS