dog test or competition

[mouse 282]

get yourself a proper black dog mate.then you can see a proper dog work.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Matulcock-sorry if I spelt it wrong-As you probably know ,we here in the U.K cannot dig badgers any more .Its the law.It used to be a regular pasttime for many sporting gents,my grandfather being one of them.As soon as I saw you write about badger killing dachshounds I had to phone him up.

When hed finished laughing he asked me to ask if you meant to say"dachshound killing badgers".Im well aware of the breeds origin as badger dogs but grandad also had dogs of fine ancestry with bull added along the way.grandad said no way would a snipey nosed f@cker do a badger and I can only agree.

Keep it real.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Also frm what I gather on the net these "working trials" are attended by the same dogs ,same breeders week in week out .Seems to be a bit like our Working dog shows where the same old faces charge what they like for a dog thats winning rosettes?AS the lads said earlier ,the ONLY test of a terrier is work of the staying kind!

Badger killing dachshounds,my grandad will live off that one for a while,pinochio. :11: :11: :11: :11: :11: :11: :11: :11: :11:

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Also from what I gather on the net ,these "working tests" are a bit like our working dog shows in that its all the dogs do week in week out.No propper,testing work in the field . breeders comand large fees for winners instead of stayers .

You can keep your little entertainers and please dont anyone get talked into breeding from one!

[valerio 32]

here in Italy we also do test like the ones motulkoh descrived and I take part to them when hunting season is closed cos I think that is good fun for me and the dogs but I don't think they are as testing as real hunting.It's also a good time to meet with terriermans and talk about the sport. as for hard dogs a good breed jagd terrier is really hard(too much for my liking)a and is a good thing to remember than they are selected from black fell dogs.

as for dachsound killing badgers

[roybo 2,873]

are you lads sure this guy is'nt baiting you all

"our dogs are better than your dogs" ? does anybody know he's actually from slovakia surely it must be a wind up

[matulkoh 66]

hey guys i go through all things i wrote here, some is realy bullshit, a lot of emotions, but the story about 2 years old bitch that she killed 2 badgers is true, but is also true that we loose a lot of good dogs in fight with badgers. also that we hunted 1000fox per year is a bullshit we do something between 15000 and 20000 in hole country, this info i get from ministry of agriculture departmant for hunting statistic.

once again i say good dogs are all around the world depands on owners, dog breeders and conditions, i ve to say that thanks UK terriermen we got terriers. so thanks.

i think we do not have a bad stock here too, surely we have a better conditions for fox hunting.

valerio if y get some old books of terrier tests go through, 40 years ago it was much more harder, do y know that we are the last member of EU which can make these contact tests. remember that jagterrier come from dark foxterrier, welsh terrier and mainly from old english black and tan terrier. no fells.

 

how y like those picks of jags guys?

[matulkoh 66]

ps one thing i wanna add, i would never let my dog go under ground to fight badger, because we have no possibilities to dig them out. y can wait on badger in front of his hole and shoot him, some old guys here sayin that dog which let badger to cover him with soil is use less, i dis agree but in our conditions only way is that the dog kill badger or drive him out.

[Bantam cock 1]

I have no doubt that working any dog to Boar can be hard on the dogs,from what I have heard and seen the lads in belgium holland use their dogs to push the pigs to the guns,last year my friend lost 4 dogs to Boar, one was eaten !! the others died throuh injuries .

the thing is in this Country, we don't use artificials for tests like you do. The test of a Dog is in the ground.

 

Any dog would go into an artificial to investigate and maybe bay at an animal in there IMO. the same dog would not necessarily go to ground and work as we the British lads would want.

 

Do you or your friends work dogs to ground or just for bushing ?

Why can't you dig the badgers out ?

We used to when it was legal.

[matulkoh 66]

I have no doubt that working any dog to Boar can be hard on the dogs,from what I have heard and seen the lads in belgium holland use their dogs to push the pigs to the guns,last year my friend lost 4 dogs to Boar, one was eaten !! the others died throuh injuries .

the thing is in this Country, we don't use artificials for tests like you do. The test of a Dog is in the ground.

 

Any dog would go into an artificial to investigate and maybe bay at an animal in there IMO. the same dog would not necessarily go to ground and work as we the British lads would want.

 

Do you or your friends work dogs to ground or just for bushing ?

Why can't you dig the badgers out ?

We used to when it was legal.

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we use our dogs to ground, how i sad we huntend 15-20000 foxes, and why we can dig out dogs, we have a very rocky soil with huge rocks, and there is no possibility to go through.

[Stabs 3]

remember that jagterrier come from dark foxterrier, welsh terrier and mainly from old english black and tan terrier. no fells.

 

how y like those picks of jags guys?

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Matulkoh, there was a really good article translated from German in the Earth Dog Running Dog magazine not so long back about Niemiecki Terier Mysliwski and they said the dogs went back to the Ynysfor terriers which were a type or strain of terrier that went on to become part of the homogenous group called the Lakeland these days, or Fell if you like. You'd have enjoyed that article. The Lakeland/Fell and Walisjskie come from the same root stock, so there's fell in there.

 

As for Slovakia being the only country in the EU with these trials, is that true? I've attended these trials in Poland and not so long ago too. I remember being told that the Czechs, Slovaks and Germans had to travel to Poland for the Borsuk as it was illegal to use them in your native countries? I know a good hunting guy who keeps Jamniks and his are very unusual in that they are quite hard whereas this is frowned upon by most Jamnik owners.

 

all the best

[matulkoh 66]

remember that jagterrier come from dark foxterrier, welsh terrier and mainly from old english black and tan terrier. no fells.

 

how y like those picks of jags guys?

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Matulkoh, there was a really good article translated from German in the Earth Dog Running Dog magazine not so long back about Niemiecki Terier Mysliwski and they said the dogs went back to the Ynysfor terriers which were a type or strain of terrier that went on to become part of the homogenous group called the Lakeland these days, or Fell if you like. You'd have enjoyed that article. The Lakeland/Fell and Walisjskie come from the same root stock, so there's fell in there.

 

As for Slovakia being the only country in the EU with these trials, is that true? I've attended these trials in Poland and not so long ago too. I remember being told that the Czechs, Slovaks and Germans had to travel to Poland for the Borsuk as it was illegal to use them in your native countries? I know a good hunting guy who keeps Jamniks and his are very unusual in that they are quite hard whereas this is frowned upon by most Jamnik owners.

 

all the best

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from 29 of august 2005 in poland and in hungary from october are banned, in czech may be year or two

[valerio 32]

you are wrong motulkoh,contact test are present in france and even in Italy even if they are traing to ban them,ther are also trials with contact in hungary,croatia and serbia.As for boar hunting hard dog are a total disgrace and are avoided like the plague by serious hunters what you need is a brave but intelligent dog.Even selecting not too game dogs you have a large amount of injuries:two week ago my hunting team suffered one dead dog and 14 injured

[Stabs 3]

from 29 of august 2005 in poland and in hungary from october are banned, in czech may be year or two

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But from what I understood, borsuk work was already banned in Czech, Slovakia and Germany, which is why the Polish tests were so popular with you guys as you couldn't do it in your own country?

[matulkoh 66]

 

 

from 29 of august 2005 in poland and in hungary from october are banned, in czech may be year or two

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But from what I understood, borsuk work was already banned in Czech, Slovakia and Germany, which is why the Polish tests were so popular with you guys as you couldn't do it in your own country?

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once again slovakia is the last country with these contact tests. no poland no hungary no czech no germany i m sure.