question about quality

[BlueCoyote 0]

thats been run by dogs.

 

i've grown up being told by the old timers that deer thats been chased by dogs is tough and bad tasting... because of the adrenaline and such..

 

as far as i know i have never eaten deer, or any game, thats been chased.. and for the most part its ALWAYS been tough to chew unless it was the back strap or a really young animal......

i want to get into coursing some day(for rabbits, not deer )but here i am wondering - and only because my husband brought it up!! - is there any truth to it? or is it all in how you prepare it and the age of the animal? i can eat almost anything... a little bit of chewing never hurt anyone. but i am still curious..

 

oh.. and earlier today someone said the best deer is one thats been shot in its bed.. especially if he's been lying down for a while.....

Edited February 22, 2008 by BlueCoyote

[martin 332]

There is some truth to it 'BC' as stress uses up the Glycogen in the blood,and,if the chase went on long enough then the glycogen would be used up from the main blood flow and would then be used up in the liver which is like a reservoir,and,then the glycogen would be used up directly from the largest muscles in the body ie. the haunches and the backstraps.This in pigs is called PSE(pale soft and exuditive)and,it looks very pale in colour and is dripping fluid from it as it is cut,and lacks any real taste.

Then again,someone said to me that ferreted rabbits were all tough for the same reason,and,I'm afraid that I have not found this to be true at all.So,make up your own mind for sure by getting hold of some coursed venison...........mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!

Martin

[BlueCoyote 0]

thankyou for that info! i never understood the process of how it worked.

 

my uncle had the equivalent of coursed deer when he was younger. he had heard a pack of hounds trailing a deer, gun shot, then everything settled down. but ten minutes later the deer wandered up onto his farm, wounded and winded and in shock.. he finished it off with a bullet, dressed it out, cooked it but ended up feeding it to the dogs because the meat was so tainted.

after that he swore he would never eat another deer thats been run by dogs.

 

as far as coursing them goes, like what you guys do, i dont know anything about it but in the US they just turn loose a pack and hope they run the deer past your truck so you can shoot it.. in the case of the one my uncle found... they shot it but didnt get a clean kill and it got away.. which happens a lot i'm told.

Edited February 23, 2008 by BlueCoyote

[fishfish 17]

any meat can become tender and tasty given the right cooking!

[Matt 160]

We used to get bits of hunted deer (red) from time to time, and it was foul! Nothing like the shot deer.

 

Didn't they used to bull bait to 'tenderise' the meat? There's nothing worse than stress to ruin a good carcase IMHO.

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Conversley, in Korea, they believe the more prolonged and hideously excrutiating the agony ye can cause a Dog before it dies, the better it's meat when ye eat it.

 

Nuke the b*stards? Just show me to the button!

[BlueCoyote 0]

i've heard of that before, what they do to animals before eating them. my stepmom told me once she watched some documentary where they would take live cats and throw them into vats of boiling oil..

 

no animal deserves that.

 

and thats something else i wonder about a lot..... it was a law apparently in the UK you couldnt sell beef unless it had been properly baited..... SUPPOSEDLY baiting it tenderised it lol well.... i suppose so.... ever see one of those mallets they use to beat steaks with?? a bulldog's mouth does the same thing.... i guess by tender they meant "pre-chewed"???

Edited February 25, 2008 by BlueCoyote

[FJager 0]

BC, it is the adrenaline that stuffs the meat in any stressed animal and yes it would make venison unedible to most.

With the Hounds coursing the deer scenario, it is a little more organized than just hoping the deer runs past the truck, never mention this to a houndsman as they will become a little upset.

Small game will not be affected as badly though. If you shoot a totally unstressed animal the meat is always far superior than one that is stressed, hence the reason cattle are handled totally different these days. The tenderising issue is a little different once the animal is dead and has been bled as at this stage the meat cannot bruise and obviously the adrenaline won't flow through the animal.

Ditchy I would love to help you find that button. In East Timor they break the dogs legs a couple of hours before they kill it so the meat becomes adrenaline tainted, the sick little b#rstards.

[fishfish 17]

i've heard of that before, what they do to animals before eating them. my stepmom told me once she watched some documentary where they would take live cats and throw them into vats of boiling oil..

 

no animal deserves that.

 

yes!!! cats!!!! filthy fcukers crap in my vegplot all the time!

[BlueCoyote 0]

they think they are helping you, Fish!

 

its the dog from down the street thats pissing all over my yard that i dont like.. i can handle a little bit of kitty poo.... the bulldogs LOVE it... but dog piss might as well be toxic waste..