Show strain lakelands

[frosty 0]

[size="4"]If you want show fine, but Workers are a different animal, these have been tested in the earth not on a bench![/size]

 

Well said. Regarding the show types, i'm sure they may well catch the occasional squirrel or possum but surely any dog, whether it be a kennel club King Charles Spaniel or Shi tzu might try to do that, dogs being dogs, and dogs chase small animals, birds, cats etc and bark to let warn if a stranger approches their territory - that is natural dog behaviour and i'd be surprised if a dog (of any type) didn't do that.

 

BUT

 

A workers priority is to be a worker, not a looker, although there are some handsome workers i'm sure........

I think it is safe to say that a show type terrier has more hunting instinct than a king charles spaniel or a shi tzu. They cannot be compared. And while a shi tzu may try to chase a squirrel it will not be under my shed fighting tooth and nail with a oppossum or raccoon. A shi tzu doesnt have the dentition of a terrier, wont lock down like a terrier and will give up unlike a terrier. Anyone that would say that a show bred lakeland terrier is equivalent to a king charles spaniel or a shi tzu has not been around a show bred lakeland or has seen what is not the norm.

[redrob... 0]

in the cw feb 13 nimrod wrote a good peice, its not about working terriers but i think its worth putting up, ONE HAS ONLY TO COMPARE THE WORLD OF WORKING LURCHERS TERRIERS AND GUN DOGS WITH THE MONEY MOTIVATED GREEDY WORLD OF SHOWING TO UNDER STAND THE VAST GULF WHICH LIES BETWEEN THEM,

[i am the undertaker 1]

about 25 years ago a mate brought a K C lakeland did a bit of showing as a puppy did very well at about 6 month old started to get very aggressive he could not wait till it was of age to work he kept a few working lakeland all 100% digging dogs the KC one was not worth a tap and all credit to him he really tried i am not saying that they will not work but why spend £400 plus 2 to 3 years hoping you MIGHT ! ! have a worker as for the fox terrier i was given one once the owners could not handle it it was a dog fighter and a cat killer so they told us, yet when it was shown a fox it shit it self the old fox was a little bit too sharp for it, so that was the end of that one, why do people feel they need to buy these types of terriers when there are some really good working strains out there for no money at all, as for people who breed dogs just for there looks why don't they buy them selfs some pedigree dog and go to crufts and leave the working terriers shows for the working terriers which is what they were first started for

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

about 25 years ago a mate brought a K C lakeland did a bit of showing as a puppy did very well at about 6 month old started to get very aggressive he could not wait till it was of age to work he kept a few working lakeland all 100% digging dogs the KC one was not worth a tap and all credit to him he really tried i am not saying that they will not work but why spend £400 plus 2 to 3 years hoping you MIGHT ! ! have a worker as for the fox terrier i was given one once the owners could not handle it it was a dog fighter and a cat killer so they told us, yet when it was shown a fox it shit it self the old fox was a little bit too sharp for it, so that was the end of that one, why do people feel they need to buy these types of terriers when there are some really good working strains out there for no money at all, as for people who breed dogs just for there looks why don't they buy them selfs some pedigree dog and go to crufts and leave the working terriers shows for the working terriers which is what they were first started for

 

 

quality reply there mate, all that needs to be said really...

Edited February 21, 2008 by Rabbit Hunter

[stevie g 2005 125]

I dont really care if they work, as long as they look pretty, thats the main thing for me!

 

 

wilf do you know fo any pritty dogs for sale mate im fed up of my none spanable working types not winning the shows

that black pup u have there rio is a real looker

[slip 1]

Now if you have workers and you bred them for looks how is all that talent going to be diluted. Your not crossbreeding these dogs too poodles but to other "working" terriers that have a trait you are looking for. Now granted if you breed worker to worker generation after generation you will get a higher percentage of workers than say those show dogs. But you can't even claim that the show bred terriers dont have the traits that their ancestors had. Where in gods name would those genes gone? Those genes are still there maybe not in the abundance than the working dogs but they are there, its simple genetics.

mate what u call working is the problem and if u keep thinking down them lines thats up to u but imo when u start worrying more what they look like rather than what they work like ur aking trouble u tell me many of them lakelands u see at shows for starters most are to big in the chest nowadays for my likeing are worked week in week out i bet u not many they wouldnt take the chance of a few scars

hold up now a minute lad the wire i had came from a show line!! i bought this terrier off a lad!! for my god child as pet after a year took him back because child had no intrest an instead of giving him away kep him as a pet an when was going out with my dogs used ta tag along and by f**k wasnt long before he was intrested!! dont b comeing on here blowing your hole ta me about tarriers and working lines im sure ya have the best of m

[adam 0]

hold up now a minute lad the wire i had came from a show line!! i bought this terrier off a lad!! for my god child as pet after a year took him back because child had no intrest an instead of giving him away kep him as a pet an when was going out with my dogs used ta tag along and by f**k wasnt long before he was intrested!! dont b comeing on here blowing your hole ta me about tarriers and working lines im sure ya have the best of m

 

Slip you say it wasnt long before he was interested, what do you mean by that was he working below ground regularly?

[Guest Eamon.Mc]

Why is there no smileys swinging handbags??? They'd be well handy!

[slip 1]

adam the dog was given a pocket and after that wasnt long before he got in on the scene travelling and was dug to tree times we lost him hunting cover couple of mnths back

[Guest WILF]

Nothing personal slip, but 3 times dont make it a winner............3 years maybe, but not 3 times.

JMHO

[Guest rio]

I dont really care if they work, as long as they look pretty, thats the main thing for me!

 

 

wilf do you know fo any pritty dogs for sale mate im fed up of my none spanable working types not winning the shows

that black pup u have there rio is a real looker

 

 

yes but he wont win shows he has a bad mouth

[frosty 0]

I dont really care if they work, as long as they look pretty, thats the main thing for me!

 

 

wilf do you know fo any pritty dogs for sale mate im fed up of my none spanable working types not winning the shows

that black pup u have there rio is a real looker

 

 

yes but he wont win shows he has a bad mouth

With all of these instances of a show terrier couldnt work I bet you could come up with working bred dogs that couldnt perform either.

[Stabs 3]

We're just going round in circles here...

 

Surely if working ability is the most important attirbute you are looking for, then you'd look at workers to get your stock from? It's as simple as that.

 

If you aren't looking at working stock to get your animals from, then working ability can't be your first priority.

 

I must have said this dozens of times on here over the years...but load the dice in your favour and save yourself the heartache. I don't knock the lads who try to recreate "dead" breeds (in working terms), more power to their elbow, but don't come and tell me that show dogs can work as well as the working lines. There are some good dogs down from show lines out there...I've had one myself, and I've seen a few of other breeds, but there was a lot of tears when they couldn't produce anything.

 

This shouldn't be a war against show vs worker....I thought we were all on the same page on here?

[frosty 0]

I think for the most part it has been a good discussion. I think both sides of the issue have brought up good points. But there are too many people to think as a show bred terrier as a poodles equivalent in the field

[stevie g 2005 125]

I think for the most part it has been a good discussion. I think both sides of the issue have brought up good points. But there are too many people to think as a show bred terrier as a poodles equivalent in the field

mate if u listen to what ur getting told and take it in instead of thinking were all out agaisnt u mate its be tested time and time again for the right result stick to worker to worker and stop fanny about with the brad pitts of the dog world :clapper:as for thinking that ur dogs are poddles no one has said that but if u think killing a possem above ground makes a working terrier u should listen instead of barking up the wrong tree. and as stabs says mybe u will get a worker out of one but dogs like that have been know to through crap due to to many lokers in there line not workers just my opinion mate

Edited February 22, 2008 by stevie g 2005