Lenmcharristar 10,013 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, shaaark said: OK, so why did he say he wanted no part of Mike tyson? I've watched it over a dozen times!! Hes not into disrespecting the ex champs, hes being humble, and tyson wasnt all that, he peaked and passed before foreman even came back and a younger foreman would have gave him the frazier treatment Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 394 Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 7 minutes ago, shaaark said: OK, so why did he say he wanted no part of Mike tyson? I've watched it over a dozen times!! Because he's just being modest, he was always like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,001 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 6 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said: Hes not into disrespecting the ex champs, hes being humble, and tyson wasnt all that, he peaked and passed before foreman even came back and a younger foreman would have gave him the frazier treatment 1 minute ago, Pardus said: Because he's just being modest, he was always like that. Oooh OK lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 394 Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 Quotes from an article I read. At this time, Evander Holyfield was getting ready for his sixth fight as a heavyweight against Seamus McDonagh on June 1 in Atlantic City. On the day of the Holyfield-McDonagh fight, I went to grab something to eat with Georgie Benton, Lou Duva and Bobby Goodman. At the time, Goodman was, and still is, Don King's matchmaker. I've known Benton for many years, through him I met Duva, and was introduced to Goodman a couple weeks before Tyson fought Larry Holmes at the Convention Center in Atlantic City in January 1988. While we were eating, Benton said, "Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, " Georgie,You'll never believe this but, F*ckin' Tyson is scared sh*tless of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fightin' that F*ckin' animal, if you love the motherf*cker so much, you fight him!'" Goodman stated that Tyson said Foreman was much better than people thought, and was a dangerous fight for any of the top heavyweights. Goodman proceeded to explain how Tyson was calling Foreman a big con man, and explained that the grandpop act was just a front. He said Tyson saw Foreman as trying to set up the boxing world into thinking he was a pushover, knowing that he really wasn't. Tyson said Foreman was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Goodman continued to say that after seeing Tyson's response to King trying to push him into a fight with Foreman, he had no doubt that Tyson had fear of Foreman. He also said that from that point on, he felt that if Foreman and Tyson ever fought, Foreman would knock Tyson out! Throughout the lunch Goodman, Duva, Benton, and myself shared stories and thoughts on the fight game. Out of the blue Goodman said, "Oh I remember why else Tyson wanted no parts of Foreman. He said that King had found out from Steve Lott that Tyson and Cus D'Amato used to watch the Frazier-Foreman fight over and over." He continued saying that Tyson loved that fight because he was awed by Foreman's power and Frazier's toughness and how he kept getting up after every knockdown. He also said that Lott told King that Cus sat alongside Tyson saying, "It's suicide against Foreman if you're short and fight a swarming attacking style like Marciano or Frazier," never figuring that Foreman could be a possible Tyson opponent down the road. He said that Cus said the only fighters who had a chance against Foreman were, tall rangy fighters who could fight him from a distance while moving away from him, and no way any swarmer could beat Foreman by going to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,001 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 I just don't think foreman was as good as most people say. Giant? 6' 3" and 225lb at his heaviest, before he came back after a 10 year layoff. 8 minutes ago, Pardus said: Quotes from an article I read. At this time, Evander Holyfield was getting ready for his sixth fight as a heavyweight against Seamus McDonagh on June 1 in Atlantic City. On the day of the Holyfield-McDonagh fight, I went to grab something to eat with Georgie Benton, Lou Duva and Bobby Goodman. At the time, Goodman was, and still is, Don King's matchmaker. I've known Benton for many years, through him I met Duva, and was introduced to Goodman a couple weeks before Tyson fought Larry Holmes at the Convention Center in Atlantic City in January 1988. While we were eating, Benton said, "Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, " Georgie,You'll never believe this but, F*ckin' Tyson is scared sh*tless of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fightin' that F*ckin' animal, if you love the motherf*cker so much, you fight him!'" Goodman stated that Tyson said Foreman was much better than people thought, and was a dangerous fight for any of the top heavyweights. Goodman proceeded to explain how Tyson was calling Foreman a big con man, and explained that the grandpop act was just a front. He said Tyson saw Foreman as trying to set up the boxing world into thinking he was a pushover, knowing that he really wasn't. Tyson said Foreman was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Goodman continued to say that after seeing Tyson's response to King trying to push him into a fight with Foreman, he had no doubt that Tyson had fear of Foreman. He also said that from that point on, he felt that if Foreman and Tyson ever fought, Foreman would knock Tyson out! Throughout the lunch Goodman, Duva, Benton, and myself shared stories and thoughts on the fight game. Out of the blue Goodman said, "Oh I remember why else Tyson wanted no parts of Foreman. He said that King had found out from Steve Lott that Tyson and Cus D'Amato used to watch the Frazier-Foreman fight over and over." He continued saying that Tyson loved that fight because he was awed by Foreman's power and Frazier's toughness and how he kept getting up after every knockdown. He also said that Lott told King that Cus sat alongside Tyson saying, "It's suicide against Foreman if you're short and fight a swarming attacking style like Marciano or Frazier," never figuring that Foreman could be a possible Tyson opponent down the road. He said that Cus said the only fighters who had a chance against Foreman were, tall rangy fighters who could fight him from a distance while moving away from him, and no way any swarmer could beat Foreman by going to him. So why have I seen the same clip of foreman saying he 'wanted no part of Mike tyson' at least a dozen times?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 394 Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, shaaark said: I just don't think foreman was as good as most people say. Giant? 6' 3" and 225lb at his heaviest, before he came back after a 10 year layoff. So why have I seen the same clip of foreman saying he 'wanted no part of Mike tyson' at least a dozen times?! He's up there with some of the greatest HW's ever, just look at his resume. And yes he was a big man with lots of natural strength, he used to cut a lot of weight to get down to the 220's, he weighed 229lb against Jimmy Young. Saying he wasn't big is like saying Lennox Lewis wasn't big because he was in the 220's when he beat the likes of Razor Ruddock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,598 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Ive always felt that the early Tyson when he was with Kevin Rooney would have given Foreman a lot of problems and possibly got him out of there.....that peek a boo style he had early on where every time an opponent missed he made them pay,i think Foremans big looping punches would have got him in trouble.....that said,the later version of Tyson was made for Foreman....just walking forward against a straight up slugger like Foreman i could see Tyson either quitting or getting frustrated and he couldnt fight off the back foot at the best of times.....interesting match up though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,001 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 15 minutes ago, Pardus said: He's up there with some of the greatest HW's ever, just look at his resume. And yes he was a big man with lots of natural strength, he used to cut a lot of weight to get down to the 220's, he weighed 229lb against Jimmy Young. Saying he wasn't big is like saying Lennox Lewis wasn't big because he was in the 220's when he beat the likes of Razor Ruddock. No, he was 226lb when he fought and lost to jimmy young. Nit picking? Yeah OK, but get your facts straight. Foreman wasn't a giant in his era. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 394 Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 7 minutes ago, shaaark said: No, he was 226lb when he fought and lost to jimmy young. Nit picking? Yeah OK, but get your facts straight. Foreman wasn't a giant in his era. Wrong, he was 229lb. Perhaps you should practice what you preach? And yes, he was always known as a big man, in both eras he fought in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,598 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Apparently Colin Hart has passed away today as well.....shame,spoke to him down the Hammers a number of times .cracking story teller had a mindful of knowledge. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,598 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 24 minutes ago, shaaark said: No, he was 226lb when he fought and lost to jimmy young. Nit picking? Yeah OK, but get your facts straight. Foreman wasn't a giant in his era. Cant agree with that mate Foreman was a giant of any era.....just because his era happened to be the greatest era in heavyweight boxing history doesnt make him any less of a fighter. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 394 Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 17 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Apparently Colin Hart has passed away today as well.....shame,spoke to him down the Hammers a number of times .cracking story teller had a mindful of knowledge. He hadn't looked well for years, one of the better and knowledgeable boxing journalists. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 11,001 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 15 minutes ago, gnasher16 said: Cant agree with that mate Foreman was a giant of any era.....just because his era happened to be the greatest era in heavyweight boxing history doesnt make him any less of a fighter. Not saying that, but when he fought jimmy young he was hardly a 'giant'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 394 Posted March 22 Author Report Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, shaaark said: Not saying that, but when he fought jimmy young he was hardly a 'giant'. But he was 229lb and not 226lb. Lol So, Lennox Lewis wasn't that big because he was only 229lb when he fought Frank Bruno? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oxo 504 Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 10 hours ago, gnasher16 said: Apparently Colin Hart has passed away today as well.....shame,spoke to him down the Hammers a number of times .cracking story teller had a mindful of knowledge. Really good episode of boxing life stories on Colin Hart, well worth a listen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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