Goly 1,817 Posted Tuesday at 13:55 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 13:55 2 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said: Thanks for clearing that up, I will start on my "REFUGEES WELCOME HERE" banner forthwith. Lovely swerve there, acknowledging defeat yet again, becoming a habit this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRUEBRIT66 1,756 Posted Tuesday at 14:08 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 14:08 8 minutes ago, Goly said: Lovely swerve there, acknowledging defeat yet again, becoming a habit this. Ummmmmm......................... Narcissistic personality Being overly boastful, exaggerating one’s own achievements Pretending to be superior to others Lack of empathy for others Looking down on others as inferior Monopolising conversations Impatient, angry, unhappy, depressed or has mood swings when criticized Easily disappointed when expected importance is not given Always craves for “the best” in everything Has a very fragile self-esteem 3 3 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,817 Posted Tuesday at 14:17 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 14:17 7 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said: Ummmmmm......................... Narcissistic personality Being overly boastful, exaggerating one’s own achievements Pretending to be superior to others Lack of empathy for others Looking down on others as inferior Monopolising conversations Impatient, angry, unhappy, depressed or has mood swings when criticized Easily disappointed when expected importance is not given Always craves for “the best” in everything Has a very fragile self-esteem Just take the L and we can move on. I'd get to the doctors if I were you, those symptoms must take a lot out of you. So, the boat crossings are not illegal as I said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRUEBRIT66 1,756 Posted Tuesday at 14:20 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 14:20 2 minutes ago, Goly said: Just take the L and we can move on. I'd get to the doctors if I were you, those symptoms must take a lot out of you. So, the boat crossings are not illegal as I said. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,817 Posted Tuesday at 14:23 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 14:23 Just now, TRUEBRIT66 said: I get it, you don't like being reminded of the truth so revert to ridicule. At least if you are going to attempt to debate, cut out the bullshit next time. I get it, you have an audience and a narrative to push but try and be more objective, your arguments will hold more weight that way. People like you make it too easy for those in power to disregard. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,971 Posted Tuesday at 14:41 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 14:41 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,817 Posted Tuesday at 15:07 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 15:07 (edited) It needs to be reminded again, international law trumps UK laws, the Illegal Migration Act so far isn't worth the paper it's been written on, even less so now Labour are in power and it wasn't worth a carrot when the Tories were in. Edited Tuesday at 15:08 by Goly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,817 Posted Tuesday at 15:21 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 15:21 Unless someone can point me to any updates, it still hasn't commenced. As part of the government’s policy to further reduce small boat crossings, it passed the Illegal Migration Act 2023. The act was originally introduced in the House of Commons on 7 March 2023 and it received royal assent on 20 July 2023. Section 5 of the act provides that asylum claims will automatically be deemed inadmissible for those who have arrived illegally since 20 July 2023.[6] Section 2 of the act places a duty on the secretary of state to remove such people from the UK. However, at the time of writing, sections 2 and 5 of the act have not yet been commenced. The act has been controversial. Concerns have been raised about its compliance with international law, including the UK’s obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,971 Posted Tuesday at 15:57 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 15:57 42 minutes ago, Goly said: It needs to be reminded again, international law trumps UK laws, the Illegal Migration Act so far isn't worth the paper it's been written on, even less so now Labour are in power and it wasn't worth a carrot when the Tories were in. BS... International law is just guidelines it isn't actually law that's enforced ,no penalty for breaking International law , countries break International law every day mate ,its little more than a gentleman's agreement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,971 Posted Tuesday at 16:00 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:00 state sovereignty is absolute, this implies that international law is not sovereign and thus that states are under no obligation to heed it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,817 Posted Tuesday at 16:14 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:14 3 minutes ago, kanny said: BS... International law is just guidelines it isn't actually law that's enforced ,no penalty for breaking International law , countries break International law every day mate ,its little more than a gentleman's agreement. Ok, so tell me how many people have been deported on the grounds of crossing the Channel illegally? And it isn't bullshit, the Refuge Convention is legally binding, of course in theory we could choose to ignore it but that would come with repercussions. If we tried to deport someone for crossing the Channel the individual could challenge that decision in our courts and they would likely deem it unlawful if it violates international law, the ECHR could put a stop to it as well like they did with the Rwanda deportations a few years back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,971 Posted Tuesday at 16:21 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:21 6 minutes ago, Goly said: Ok, so tell me how many people have been deported on the grounds of crossing the Channel illegally? And it isn't bullshit, the Refuge Convention is legally binding, of course in theory we could choose to ignore it but that would come with repercussions. If we tried to deport someone for crossing the Channel the individual could challenge that decision in our courts and they would likely deem it unlawful if it violates international law, the ECHR could put a stop to it as well like they did with the Rwanda deportations a few years back. Tell me what repercussions we could receive and from who and how they would be enforced? ...its all about stigma not law , god forbid we upset the pearl clutchers eh because that's all it is ,an illusion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,817 Posted Tuesday at 16:24 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:24 17 minutes ago, kanny said: state sovereignty is absolute, this implies that international law is not sovereign and thus that states are under no obligation to heed it. Of course, sovereignty means a state can choose to ignore international law but we as well as many other states voluntarily enter treaties like the Refugee Convention and agree to be bound by them. It's like agreeing to the rules of a club before joining it and then refusing to follow them when they become inconvenient. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,817 Posted Tuesday at 16:24 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:24 (edited) 25 minutes ago, kanny said: . Edited Tuesday at 16:25 by Goly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,971 Posted Tuesday at 16:25 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:25 Just now, Goly said: Of course, sovereignty means a state can choose to ignore international law but we as well as many other states voluntarily enter treaties like the Refugee Convention and agree to be bound by them. It's like agreeing to the rules of a club before joining it and then refusing to follow them when they become inconvenient. Like I said..little more than a gentleman's agreement 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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