jukel123 8,809 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 (edited) Please see article at the bottom of the page. How generous. What a socialist utopia! German workers get 6 weeks full pay when they are sick. 78 weeks in any 3 years. Similar in France. During the pandemic lives were lost in the UK because covid+ people were forced to go to work and thereby spread the disease. Sick pay for full time workers is something like 100 odd quid a week. I remember my dad cycling to work on the docks with appendicitis. He had to. I could hear him groaning in agony. He collapsed after the appendix ruptured. Luckily the NHS has started so he was treated. Please sir, Mr Starmer, can British workers be treated in the same way as other European workers are treated? https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/mar/03/labour-unveils-sick-pay-guarantee-for-13m-lowest-paid-workers#:~:text=For the rest%2C the rate,after three days of sickness. Edited March 3 by jukel123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,967 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 8 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Please see article at the bottom of the page. How generous. What a socialist utopia! German workers get 6 weeks full pay when they are sick. 78 weeks in any 3 years. Similar in France. During the pandemic lives were lost in the UK because covid+ people were forced to go to work and thereby spread the disease. Sick pay for full time workers is something like 100 odd quid a week. I remember my dad cycling to work on the docks with appendicitis. He had to. I could hear him groaning in agony. He collapsed after the appendix ruptured. Luckily the NHS has started so he was treated. Please sir, Mr Starmer, can British workers be treated in the same way as other European workers are treated? https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/mar/03/labour-unveils-sick-pay-guarantee-for-13m-lowest-paid-workers#:~:text=For the rest%2C the rate,after three days of sickness. it is a hard one, from a human point of view, absolutely…..people working for big uptogether companies should not have to worry…..the cost is almost meaningless to a big multi national In reality it will be applied one size fits all so that it effects even the poor f****r struggling along with a couple of employees…..for the small business it’s a disaster, who would want to take the risk of employing someone if you were tiny operator ? Especially with all the other costs to employing people they are adding on…..the fairest way would be to make the distinction between a big firm (say +£20 million a year) and firms below that…..the people below that should be paid by the state with a contribution by the firm on a sliding scale depending on turnover/profit etc Say, a firm with £20 million turnover and decent profits pay 80% down to a firm with only £300,000 turnover pays 0% Something like that ? One size fits all is a disaster 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty12 2,754 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 7 minutes ago, WILF said: it is a hard one, from a human point of view, absolutely…..people working for big uptogether companies should not have to worry…..the cost is almost meaningless to a big multi national In reality it will be applied one size fits all so that it effects even the poor f****r struggling along with a couple of employees…..for the small business it’s a disaster, who would want to take the risk of employing someone if you were tiny operator ? Especially with all the other costs to employing people they are adding on…..the fairest way would be to make the distinction between a big firm (say +£20 million a year) and firms below that…..the people below that should be paid by the state with a contribution by the firm on a sliding scale depending on turnover/profit etc Say, a firm with £20 million turnover and decent profits pay 80% down to a firm with only £300,000 turnover pays 0% Something like that ? One size fits all is a disaster The system for small business's is getting to the stage is near non repairable ..... watch how many go under in the next month with national insurance increase , top that off with employees wanting a wage increase because of council tax and utility bills increasing again. just aswell king Donald is saving the day for the citizens of the uk from their financial burdens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 7,083 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 5 minutes ago, scotty12 said: The system for small business's is getting to the stage is near non repairable ..... watch how many go under in the next month with national insurance increase , top that off with employees wanting a wage increase because of council tax and utility bills increasing again. just aswell king Donald is saving the day for the citizens of the uk from their financial burdens How's he gonna save us ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,809 Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 (edited) 39 minutes ago, WILF said: it is a hard one, from a human point of view, absolutely…..people working for big uptogether companies should not have to worry…..the cost is almost meaningless to a big multi national In reality it will be applied one size fits all so that it effects even the poor f****r struggling along with a couple of employees…..for the small business it’s a disaster, who would want to take the risk of employing someone if you were tiny operator ? Especially with all the other costs to employing people they are adding on…..the fairest way would be to make the distinction between a big firm (say +£20 million a year) and firms below that…..the people below that should be paid by the state with a contribution by the firm on a sliding scale depending on turnover/profit etc Say, a firm with £20 million turnover and decent profits pay 80% down to a firm with only £300,000 turnover pays 0% Something like that ? One size fits all is a disaster I understand the pressure on small businesses. I am pro small businesses all the way. But the sick pay in Germany is paid by the state not small businesses. I agree it would be the death knell for small businesses if a guy employing a few blokes had to pay them sick pay. What gets me is that the total tax take in Germany and France is virtually the same as we pay but they have so much more in terms of sick pay, employment rights, decent roads, affordable rents and a first class health service and pension entitlements. Didn't some official body work out a British citizen is 7 to 8 grand worse off than our European counterparts.? Anyway I bore myself banging the same drum. So,I'll give you all a rest. .....For now. Edited March 3 by jukel123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty12 2,754 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 24 minutes ago, waltjnr said: How's he gonna save us ? He's already saved us as yous don't even know it yet lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,967 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, jukel123 said: I understand the pressure on small businesses. I am pro small businesses all the way. But the sick pay in Germany is paid by the state not small businesses. I agree it would be the death knell for small businesses if a guy employing a few blokes had to pay them sick pay. What gets me is that the total tax take in Germany and France is virtually the same as we pay but they have so much more in terms of sick pay, employment rights, decent roads, affordable rents and a first class health service and pension entitlements. Didn't some official body work out a British citizen is 7 to 8 grand worse off than our European counterparts.? Anyway I bore myself banging the same drum. So,I'll give you all a rest. .....For now. 100% mate, there’s plenty of money for British people……but they don’t matter 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,809 Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 13 minutes ago, WILF said: 100% mate, there’s plenty of money for British people……but they don’t matter Can you pinpoint the period where our opinions morphed into one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,967 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, jukel123 said: Can you pinpoint the period where our opinions morphed into one? I know, worrying for you I bet ! lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,809 Posted Monday at 21:56 Author Report Share Posted Monday at 21:56 4 minutes ago, WILF said: I know, worrying for you I bet ! lol I'm more worried about you mate, a bromance with a leftie, tree hugging, Wolfe Smith keyboard warrior is sure to end in tears and a ferocious row. When it all breaks down. We must promise to be brave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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