Starmer Ukraine

[paulus 26]

There all the f***ing same Labour. Tories and now it would appear that Reform is becoming The Tories 2.0. Watched a thing earlier, A Reform grass roots county chairman has resigned, His reasons being mainly due to Farage not democratising the party as he said he would, As things stand the only way he could be removed is if the board agreed it. But the board is appointed by Farage, He also is the the main share holder in the company, Reform UK LTD. He also said grass root candidates that had been working for free since the start and some even coming second in the last election were being replaced by ex Tories. His last reason was the appointment of Zia Usuf as chairman, Funding the party with Muslim money. He believes as i do that Muslims have no place in British Politics, If you think about it then it makes sense. All newcomers to these Islands are meant to assimilate into the population and abide by the rules and laws of this land, Why should Muslims become politicians only to try to make laws specifically relating to Muslims and how others treat Muslims and there religion?. The stupid thing is we are allowing this to happen. On the subject of British Peacekeeper's in Ukraine. Do they honestly believe Russia is a threat to Europe through invasion. FFS they lost in Afghanistan, (So did we and the coalition) Ukraine has held them to a stalemate for the last few years. Lets say they did have the forces to invade, There's no way they could sustain an invasion as they would just run out of suppliers. Russian trains run on different gauge tracks to Europe for a start, The only threat to Europe from Russia is nuclear, Far to many European leaders with there fingers in the pie of the Ukrainian conflict. Let the Orange Oracle sort it as we all know he will.  

[paulus 26]

2 minutes ago, Borr said:

Another sound fella , although I didn't know he was pro EU , he's right he could hide his cash off sure , they'll always be a loop hole for the wealthy, but he's honest about it, I think there should be a threshold saying 10million on farms , if you've got a 50million farm you can lose a bit over a generation.... That said plenty of farmers voted remain , predominantly so they could keep their eastern Europeans in a caravan out the back... 

And then shout from the rooftops that British workers are unwilling to do the jobs they do, This was debunked the other year, Fruit picking jobs were advertised at a wage that would enable British workers to take up these jobs and afford to keep there households going, After over 30.000 British applicants applied they closed the advert. 

[Borr 6,431]

Need to force an election soon, hopefully a vote of no confidence, think of the US and UK alliance if Farage gets in. No rush as I think public opinion has a way to go yet , be good if they could appeal to Scotland somehow . As for Ukraine I don't see the EU getting much of a seat at the table , again Farage has far more chance, vance met with atf in Germany. I think the US are clear in wanting to stem the invasion I mean mass migration...

[Borr 6,431]

2 minutes ago, paulus said:

And then shout from the rooftops that British workers are unwilling to do the jobs they do, This was debunked the other year, Fruit picking jobs were advertised at a wage that would enable British workers to take up these jobs and afford to keep there households going, After over 30.000 British applicants applied they closed the advert. 

Yeah about right...bit like saying Brexit would mean Costa wouldn't be able to to employ anyone if we left the EU, who cares they never paid much tax and certainly didn't employ many brits

[jukel123 8,663]

5 minutes ago, paulus said:

There all the f***ing same Labour. Tories and now it would appear that Reform is becoming The Tories 2.0. Watched a thing earlier, A Reform grass roots county chairman has resigned, His reasons being mainly due to Farage not democratising the party as he said he would, As things stand the only way he could be removed is if the board agreed it. But the board is appointed by Farage, He also is the the main share holder in the company, Reform UK LTD. He also said grass root candidates that had been working for free since the start and some even coming second in the last election were being replaced by ex Tories. His last reason was the appointment of Zia Usuf as chairman, Funding the party with Muslim money. He believes as i do that Muslims have no place in British Politics, If you think about it then it makes sense. All newcomers to these Islands are meant to assimilate into the population and abide by the rules and laws of this land, Why should Muslims become politicians only to try to make laws specifically relating to Muslims and how others treat Muslims and there religion?. The stupid thing is we are allowing this to happen. On the subject of British Peacekeeper's in Ukraine. Do they honestly believe Russia is a threat to Europe through invasion. FFS they lost in Afghanistan, (So did we and the coalition) Ukraine has held them to a stalemate for the last few years. Lets say they did have the forces to invade, There's no way they could sustain an invasion as they would just run out of suppliers. Russian trains run on different gauge tracks to Europe for a start, The only threat to Europe from Russia is nuclear, Far to many European leaders with there fingers in the pie of the Ukrainian conflict. Let the Orange Oracle sort it as we all know he will.  

 Agree with a lot of that.

The " orange oracle" went over everybody's heads and signed a deal with the Taliban. All those western troops killed and maimed for nothing.

An absolute disgrace.

[Borr 6,431]

9 minutes ago, paulus said:

There all the f***ing same Labour. Tories and now it would appear that Reform is becoming The Tories 2.0. Watched a thing earlier, A Reform grass roots county chairman has resigned, His reasons being mainly due to Farage not democratising the party as he said he would, As things stand the only way he could be removed is if the board agreed it. But the board is appointed by Farage, He also is the the main share holder in the company, Reform UK LTD. He also said grass root candidates that had been working for free since the start and some even coming second in the last election were being replaced by ex Tories. His last reason was the appointment of Zia Usuf as chairman, Funding the party with Muslim money. He believes as i do that Muslims have no place in British Politics, If you think about it then it makes sense. All newcomers to these Islands are meant to assimilate into the population and abide by the rules and laws of this land, Why should Muslims become politicians only to try to make laws specifically relating to Muslims and how others treat Muslims and there religion?. The stupid thing is we are allowing this to happen. On the subject of British Peacekeeper's in Ukraine. Do they honestly believe Russia is a threat to Europe through invasion. FFS they lost in Afghanistan, (So did we and the coalition) Ukraine has held them to a stalemate for the last few years. Lets say they did have the forces to invade, There's no way they could sustain an invasion as they would just run out of suppliers. Russian trains run on different gauge tracks to Europe for a start, The only threat to Europe from Russia is nuclear, Far to many European leaders with there fingers in the pie of the Ukrainian conflict. Let the Orange Oracle sort it as we all know he will.  

I seem to remember a few saying Russia would win in a few days most were shocked by how shit the Russian forces were conscription army and loads of private forces , using prisoners and north Koreans .....

[Borr 6,431]

3 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

 Agree with a lot of that.

The " orange oracle" went over everybody's heads and signed a deal with the Taliban. All those western troops killed and maimed for nothing.

An absolute disgrace.

Do you mean he pulled US troops out of afgan as promised....

[paulus 26]

Just now, Borr said:

I seem to remember a few saying Russia would win in a few days most were shocked by how shit the Russian forces were conscription army and loads of private forces , using prisoners and north Koreans .....

Putin's plan originally was to swing up to the North, Swoop down into Kiev. Over through Zaleski and replace him with someone pro Russian. Now bear in mind Russia only got the hump after Zalenski facilitated the murder of thousands upon thousands of ethnic Russian's in the Donbas and south.  This conflict should have been over in weeks. Europe got involved and years later it continues. 

[Borr 6,431]

Ukraine is a sovereign country though and Putin told the west he was doing training exercises on the border. They've killed 1.5 million people between them but Ukraine was never invading Russia so I feel the blame lays at the door of Putin without a doubt . 

[jukel123 8,663]

20 minutes ago, Borr said:

Do you mean he pulled US troops out of afgan as promised....

Your interpretation. Not mine. 

He said he would replace the lost rust belt jobs in" like two seconds". None transpired. He said he would create jobs anywhere jobs where jobs were lost.  Where are they? He said he would solve the Ukraine war in " 24 hours".

He and Musk have got extensive business dealings in Russia. Is that why he's in bed with his longstanding pal Vlad? But he also wants half of Ukraine's mineral reserves. How does that work?

When he's ethnically cleansed Gaza he's going to make it the " riviera of the middle East". Wonderful statesman. If you are very,very rich. Not so good if you're ordinary Joe.

 

Edited Monday at 19:52 by jukel123

[mC HULL 13,549]

11 hours ago, Bangersanmash said:

We need to do what Syria have done a drive the f****r out. 

at we’ve drived  assad out not his own ffs mate another country we have ruined

 

[Goly 1,406]

What is shocking is the US & Russia are having peace talks without Ukraine being involved, sounds reasonable that does.

[Bangersanmash 3,351]

1 minute ago, Goly said:

What is shocking is the US & Russia are having peace talks without Ukraine being involved, sounds reasonable that does.

Because it's business money talks bull shit walks. 

[mC HULL 13,549]

54 minutes ago, Bangersanmash said:

Because it's business money talks bull shit walks. 

yanks get syria putin gets ukraine

[WILF 47,630]

2 hours ago, paulus said:

There all the f***ing same Labour. Tories and now it would appear that Reform is becoming The Tories 2.0. Watched a thing earlier, A Reform grass roots county chairman has resigned, His reasons being mainly due to Farage not democratising the party as he said he would, As things stand the only way he could be removed is if the board agreed it. But the board is appointed by Farage, He also is the the main share holder in the company, Reform UK LTD. He also said grass root candidates that had been working for free since the start and some even coming second in the last election were being replaced by ex Tories. His last reason was the appointment of Zia Usuf as chairman, Funding the party with Muslim money. He believes as i do that Muslims have no place in British Politics, If you think about it then it makes sense. All newcomers to these Islands are meant to assimilate into the population and abide by the rules and laws of this land, Why should Muslims become politicians only to try to make laws specifically relating to Muslims and how others treat Muslims and there religion?. The stupid thing is we are allowing this to happen. On the subject of British Peacekeeper's in Ukraine. Do they honestly believe Russia is a threat to Europe through invasion. FFS they lost in Afghanistan, (So did we and the coalition) Ukraine has held them to a stalemate for the last few years. Lets say they did have the forces to invade, There's no way they could sustain an invasion as they would just run out of suppliers. Russian trains run on different gauge tracks to Europe for a start, The only threat to Europe from Russia is nuclear, Far to many European leaders with there fingers in the pie of the Ukrainian conflict. Let the Orange Oracle sort it as we all know he will.  

Completely agree about Reform, I was pro reform and I like some of their policy’s……but I now view them as nothing but a tool to maybe break the two party system.

I don’t consider myself pro reform any longer beyond that goal…..

These born again patriots joining from Tory (and some Labour) have left a very bad taste in my mouth !

I won’t ever forgive them for what they have done by being a member of, voting for, promoting and in so doing facilitating those party’s betrayals of my nation.

They are filthy charlatans and traitors and deserve no forgiveness. 
f**k them and f**k reform for giving these curs a new home.