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It’s not just him……it’s not just a Labour thing or a Tory thing……it’s a Westminster thing  It’s a European governments thing….. Starmer is one of thousands 

Our government is the enemy of the uk citizens .       

Ok, theyre hared by the irish, the scots, the argies, the pakistanis, the indians, the auzzies, the french, the spaniards, the russians, etc, 

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1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

goly does it for a rise stiff  he just doesn’t know any better lol 

Having actually stood and looked over a field into Russia with the very real task of preparing men for real conflict I’d say Stiff was better positioned to give an opinion than most, Goly talks absolute nonsense but Stiff never does…..he can formulate and give an intelligent opinion.

We don’t have to agree with it but you can’t belittle it because it comes from a place of knowledge and not nonsense. 

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8 minutes ago, WILF said:

Let’s take it back 40 years, an English speaking enclave with a population that is ethnic British living on territory that geographically belongs to someone else…..the country with the geographic and historical claim take back that region and then we (rightly) respond with military force.

And that was 8000 miles away.

I genuinely don’t know the answer here so please tell me, what’s the difference between that and an ethnic Russian area in Ukraine which is where, I believe, this all stems from ? 

The difference is the UK was defending it's sovereignty over a territory it had controlled over 100 years. Ukraine is a sovereign state, you just can't invade a country because a small population of your ethnicity live there. You believe this is where it stems from? I don't, this is all about Russian imperialism.

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3 minutes ago, WILF said:

Having actually stood and looked over a field into Russia with the very real task of preparing men for real conflict I’d say Stiff was better positioned to give an opinion than most, Goly talks absolute nonsense but Stiff never does…..he can formulate and give an intelligent opinion.

We don’t have to agree with it but you can’t belittle it because it comes from a place of knowledge and not nonsense. 

That's a compliment coming from the King of Bollocks! Lol

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7 minutes ago, Goly said:

The difference is the UK was defending its sovereignty over a territory it had controlled over 100 years. Ukraine is a sovereign state, you just can't invade a country because a small population of your ethnicity live there. You believe this is where it stems from? I don't, this is all about Russian imperialism.

As I said, these regions have been in a state of flux for millennia, at various points in time Ukraine and/or portions of it has been counted as commonwealth by the Austro-Hungarian empire, Russia, Poland and Lithuania……they were sovereign in the areas they controlled.

And yes, you can just invade a country to support a small ethnically identical people to your own nation…..country’s do it all the time ! 

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16 minutes ago, WILF said:

Having actually stood and looked over a field into Russia with the very real task of preparing men for real conflict I’d say Stiff was better positioned to give an opinion than most, Goly talks absolute nonsense but Stiff never does…..he can formulate and give an intelligent opinion.

We don’t have to agree with it but you can’t belittle it because it comes from a place of knowledge and not nonsense. 

i aint belittling him mate he has views there opposite to mine who knows who is right 

i can normally get a bite off him but not of late lol 

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3 minutes ago, WILF said:

As I said, these regions have been in a state of flux for millennia, at various points in time Ukraine and/or portions of it has been counted as commonwealth by the Austro-Hungarian empire, Russia, Poland and Lithuania……they were sovereign in the areas they controlled.

And yes, you can just invade a country to support a small ethnically identical people to your own nation…..country’s do it all the time ! 

You can invade a country for no reason if you want, but that doesn't mean it's right, and that doesn't mean you can escape reprisals. Ethnically identical? Russia is about as homogeneous as a bag of Celebrations! Lol

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2 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

i aint belittling him mate he has views there opposite to mine who knows who is right 

i can normally get a bite off him but not of late lol 

You can’t belittle me 

As I’ve said before , my views , yours and @scotty12 aren’t a million miles away. 

I just see things differently to you two, not opposite. 

I find myself more and more in tune with @Goly as it’s likely we have a similar knowledge / skills / experience of the topics discussed here . 

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25 minutes ago, WILF said:

Having actually stood and looked over a field into Russia with the very real task of preparing men for real conflict I’d say Stiff was better positioned to give an opinion than most, Goly talks absolute nonsense but Stiff never does…..he can formulate and give an intelligent opinion.

We don’t have to agree with it but you can’t belittle it because it comes from a place of knowledge and not nonsense. 

Why did your think they didn’t invade ? 

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Just now, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

You can’t belittle me 

As I’ve said before , my views , yours and @scotty12 aren’t a million miles away. 

I just see things differently to you two, not opposite. 

I find myself more and more in tune with @Goly as it’s likely we have a similar knowledge / skills / experience of the topics discussed here . 

Basically experts in every field of discussion. Lol

That's why he's scared to go out for a walk with me and Bangers, he's always right with his merry men! 😁

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