Starmer Ukraine

[WILF 47,631]

2 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Agreed 

but why can one country bordering and largely the same people join the eu and Ukraine can’t ? 

They aren’t the same country , they aren’t part of the eu anymore , it would be like Mexico telling California , nah you aren’t part of the us anymore , you now a buffer zone . 
 

it’s got f**k all to do with Russia what the Ukraine does 

Because those border states are meaningless in the grand scheme, their size/geography/topography/resources make them irrelevant ?……but Ukraine is a different story, you holding that is a force multiplier in terms of resources at you disposal ?

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,184]

Just now, Goly said:

It's not, and the fact that Putin has stated this shows that he's lying. He wants control and influence over Ukraine, he thought the land grab would be over in no time. You can't just roll over for people like him.

A hundred percent agreed . If we just turned away from Ukraine , then what ? 

poland , Latvia , all getting itchy feet about a slip to a western Russian border again , people have a right to decide their own country, not what face the coin lands on 

[WILF 47,631]

2 minutes ago, Goly said:

It's not, and the fact that Putin has stated this shows that he's lying. He wants control and influence over Ukraine, he thought the land grab would be over in no time. You can't just roll over for people like him.

What’s the difference between an invasion from the east or an invasion from the west ?

Because one uses tanks and the other uses a bank account (that you pay for) ? 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,184]

3 minutes ago, WILF said:

Because those border states are meaningless in the grand scheme, their size/geography/topography/resources make them irrelevant ?……but Ukraine is a different story, you holding that is a force multiplier in terms of resources at you disposal ?

Agreed 

but why do they need to kowtow to the desires of a man who owns the country next door ? 

they are ukraines wealth and resources . Not russias 

[Goly 1,408]

Just now, WILF said:

What’s the difference between an invasion from the east or an invasion from the west ?

Because one uses tanks and the other uses a bank account (that you pay for) ? 

The difference is one was wanted, the other one wasn't. If Ukraine wanted to join NATO, they have every right to apply, Russia have no right to just invade a country for a land grab. 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,184]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

What’s the difference between an invasion from the east or an invasion from the west ?

Because one uses tanks and the other uses a bank account (that you pay for) ? 

But why would you hand over your money to the playground bully when you’re just gonna spend it in the shop on the way home ? 

[WILF 47,631]

7 minutes ago, Goly said:

You're basically admitting it's just a land grab, Russia has no right to influence Ukraine. Is it any surprise that they were keen on joining NATO?

Don’t be naive, 3rd party’s exerting undue influence on your doorstep has always been a reason to invade country’s…..every major power including us in the world has been doing it forever.

[Goly 1,408]

Just now, WILF said:

Don’t be naive, 3rd party’s exerting undue influence on your doorstep has always been a reason to invade country’s…..every major power including us in the world has been doing it forever.

NATO has a strong influence in the other countries I mentioned, funny that their influence didn't alarm Putin enough to retaliate. If you think he has a legit reason to invade, then we have a legit reason for the proxy war.

[WILF 47,631]

7 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

But why would you hand over your money to the playground bully when you’re just gonna spend it in the shop on the way home ? 

Do you think Putin wants Ukraine or do you think he just don’t want the EU to have it…..because I think the answer to that is the answer to everything brother.

And, before anyone else says it I know they were operating in the border regions with ethnic Russians….but that has always happened that country’s protect their own, two of the best examples are Alsace and the Sudaten Land in WW2.

We have to remember, these borders have been in a constant state of flux for the last 1000 years…we are an island nation and we make the mistake of thinking of everything like an island nation but our borders have never been in a state of flux, we have no concept of it. 

Edited Thursday at 16:33 by WILF

[mC HULL 13,560]

18 minutes ago, Goly said:

It's not, and the fact that Putin has stated this shows that he's lying. He wants control and influence over Ukraine, he thought the land grab would be over in no time. You can't just roll over for people like him.

you and stiff  are comical why did the west overthrow the government in ukraine and put a paid puppet in charge lol answer that 

Edited Thursday at 16:38 by mC HULL

[WILF 47,631]

10 minutes ago, Goly said:

The difference is one was wanted, the other one wasn't. If Ukraine wanted to join NATO, they have every right to apply, Russia have no right to just invade a country for a land grab. 

I refer you to my previous reply, land grabs come in many forms.

I think this is a case of “Don’t look over here, look over there” 

[mC HULL 13,560]

Just now, WILF said:

I refer you to my previous reply, land grabs come in many forms.

I think this is a case of “Don’t look over here, look over there” 

they took syria while putin was otherwise engaged 

[Goly 1,408]

9 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

you and stiff  are comical why did the west overthrow the government in ukraine and put a paid puppet in charge lol answer that 

Did they, or is it something you read on TikTok? Lol

I mean, how on earth could certain people of the Ukraine want rid of their Russian backed leader, it all had to be the work of the US.

So, what are you claiming, the people of Ukraine don't want to be in NATO? Funny how the polls say differently, but don't tell me, they're US influenced polls I bet? Lol

Edited Thursday at 16:46 by Goly

[Goly 1,408]

9 minutes ago, WILF said:

I refer you to my previous reply, land grabs come in many forms.

I think this is a case of “Don’t look over here, look over there” 

And this was in the form of a Russian invasion of a sovereign nation, all because as Putin states, Ukraine wanted to join NATO.

[mC HULL 13,560]

5 minutes ago, Goly said:

Did they, or is it something you read on TikTok? Lol

I mean, how on earth could certain people of the Ukraine want rid of their Russian backed leader, it all had to be the work of the US.

So, what are you claiming, the people of Ukraine don't want to be in NATO? Funny how the polls say differently, but don't tell me, they're US influenced polls I bet? Lol

so that didn’t happen ? 

what gives the west the right to do that because the leader of ukraine was pro russian ?