mC HULL 14,686 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, Goly said: I don't know what difference that makes anyway, he's clearly confused lol. So, we have an ex-Russian enemy on it's very borders in Finland who are also part of NATO but let's go along with the NATO expansion narrative, the perfect excuse to invade a country. ye im sure putin wanted dead russians and im sure the usa and the west weren’t all in it to rape ukraine lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,823 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 5 minutes ago, mC HULL said: but american can tell russia you ain’t putting missiles in cuba ? They did put nuclear missiles in Cuba FFS! So, tell me, how is talks about potentially joining a defensive alliance the same as putting nukes on your "enemies" doorstep? Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,823 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 6 minutes ago, Greyman said: Mate you really have no grasp at all butI,ll leave you to get the last word in as that’s what makes you tick plus I,m to tired to spank you again it gets boring Keep off social media next time you try to debate Popeye..lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,823 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 7 minutes ago, mC HULL said: my point mate they are getting closer and closer at some point putin had to intervene mate So, why didn't he retaliate against Finland, Latvia, Estonia, all on his doorstep? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,560 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 21 minutes ago, chartpolski said: Estonia and Latvia were part of the USSR , until the break up of the Soviet Union. Cheers. Yep eu members also but as I’ve said before here , the idea that’s promulgated that the Ukraine was a land grab by the eu is absolute horse shit , Russia bottled grabbing Estonia as they have a large sea port and a 6 lane highway going straight into st Petersburg. the reality was and remains that the big red 1 would roll down there as and when they please . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,560 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 9 minutes ago, Goly said: So, why didn't he retaliate against Finland, Latvia, Estonia, all on his doorstep? No one can give you an answer for that as it doesn’t fit the narrative most people don’t realise that Estonia is basically in russias driveway , they think the only border is with Ukraine , drop that into conversation and they start scrambling for air 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,593 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Yep eu members also but as I’ve said before here , the idea that’s promulgated that the Ukraine was a land grab by the eu is absolute horse shit , Russia bottled grabbing Estonia as they have a large sea port and a 6 lane highway going straight into st Petersburg. the reality was and remains that the big red 1 would roll down there as and when they please . I don’t think it’s horse shit brother, they have form, it’s what they do…..and I also believe that Putin knows they wouldn’t stop at Ukraine…once they had their hand on that then the mission would turn to sowing the seeds of discontent in Russia to create the conditions for another land grab. Let’s face it, Russia has always been the big prize for European politicians through the ages because of it’s abundant resources and just its physical size (imagine how many pakis they could fit into that land mass?) I have never laid the blame for this at Putins door because our own bunch of c**ts are just doing what we have been watching them do for decades. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,823 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: No one can give you an answer for that as it doesn’t fit the narrative most people don’t realise that Estonia is basically in russias driveway , they think the only border is with Ukraine , drop that into conversation and they start scrambling for air The real truth is, Russia doesn't see Ukraine as a buffer state, they see it as a vassal state that they can control & influence. I can't believe they fall for the NATO expansion bullshit when Russia has a strong nuclear deterrent. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,593 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 8 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: No one can give you an answer for that as it doesn’t fit the narrative most people don’t realise that Estonia is basically in russias driveway , they think the only border is with Ukraine , drop that into conversation and they start scrambling for air Because there’s f**k all in it for him?…..the EU don’t need these states beyond just improving the size of the bloc, but Ukraine with its size and its agricultural & industrial potential is another story….a very big story. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,560 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, WILF said: I don’t think it’s horse shit brother, they have form, it’s what they do…..and I also believe that Putin knows they wouldn’t stop at Ukraine…once they had their hand on that then the mission would turn to sowing the seeds of discontent in Russia to create the conditions for another land grab. Let’s face it, Russia has always been the big prize for European politicians through the ages because of it’s abundant resources and just its physical size (imagine how many pakis they could fit into that land mass?) I have never laid the blame for this at Putins door because our own bunch of c**ts are just doing what we have been watching them do for decades. Agreed but why can one country bordering and largely the same people join the eu and Ukraine can’t ? They aren’t the same country , they aren’t part of the eu anymore , it would be like Mexico telling California , nah you aren’t part of the us anymore , you now a buffer zone . it’s got f**k all to do with Russia what the Ukraine does 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,593 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, Goly said: The real truth is, Russia doesn't see Ukraine as a buffer state, they see it as a vassal state that they can control & influence. I can't believe they fall for the NATO expansion bullshit when Russia has a strong nuclear deterrent. I don’t believe this has ever been military related, I think this comes down to sovereignty…..maybe not now or in 10 years, but in 40,50,60 years Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,823 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, WILF said: Because there’s f**k all in it for him?…..the EU don’t need these states beyond just improving the size of the bloc, but Ukraine with its size and its agricultural & industrial potential is another story….a very big story. You're basically admitting it's just a land grab, Russia has no right to influence Ukraine. Is it any surprise that they were keen on joining NATO? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,560 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 f**k me that was a typo and a half , they aren’t part of the ussr anymore not eu Fruedian slip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,560 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 Just now, Goly said: You're basically admitting it's just a land grab, Russia has no right to influence Ukraine. Is it any surprise that they were keen on joining NATO? A hundred percent , it was a flex to stir the pot and now they have overreached, it’s gone too far to back down 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,823 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, WILF said: I don’t believe this has ever been military related, I think this comes down to sovereignty…..maybe not now or in 10 years, but in 40,50,60 years It's not, and the fact that Putin has stated this shows that he's lying. He wants control and influence over Ukraine, he thought the land grab would be over in no time. You can't just roll over for people like him. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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