Whippets rule.

[WataWalloper 929]

15 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I honestly don’t know, mate, but looking at the pedigree of Sooty Sam there isn’t any bull, but pedigrees don’t always tell the truth. Some pedigree racing whippets were rumoured to have greyhound in them and the WRCA started dna testing when doubt arose.

To me, SS didn’t look like he had bull in him, but I remember my brother and I breeding a litter of non-ped whippets and the one I kept looked like a show winning pedigree whippet and the one my brother kept looked like a staffy !

You still get bully type throw backs in the non-peds quite regularly, but not so common, if at all, in the pedigrees, so i’d guess if SS had bull in him, and the amount of offspring he produced, id expect to see more bully types.

Just my opinion, of course.

Cheers.

What was the results if the testing? Many dogs were tested, all of them? 

[chartpolski 24,585]

3 minutes ago, WataWalloper said:

What was the results if the testing? Many dogs were tested, all of them? 

No idea, mate, I was never into the pedigree racing.

Cheers.

[WataWalloper 929]

5 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

No idea, mate, I was never into the pedigree racing.

Cheers.

What’s your thoughts on the handicap they use, ye think it’s fair?

[chartpolski 24,585]

8 minutes ago, WataWalloper said:

What’s your thoughts on the handicap they use, ye think it’s fair?

Depends which handicap you mean 

Club racing goes on time handicapping and is very fair giving everyone a chance.

Open Racing is usually “Yards for Pounds” where a dog gets a yard start for every pound lighter it is. This sort of favours the lightweight and middleweight dogs over the heavyweights over the 150 yards.

Scratch racing is the fairest as all dogs start of a level break and the fastest wins, simple as that .

Cheers.

[WataWalloper 929]

Just now, chartpolski said:

Depends which handicap you mean 

Club racing goes on time handicapping and is very fair giving everyone a chance.

Open Racing is usually “Yards for Pounds” where a dog gets a yard start for every pound lighter it is. This sort of favours the lightweight and middleweight dogs over the heavyweights over the 150 yards.

Scratch racing is the fairest as all dogs start of a level break and the fastest wins, simple as that .

Cheers.

How does the club time one work mate, I only knew about the yard for lb one 

[chartpolski 24,585]

Just now, WataWalloper said:

How does the club time one work mate, I only knew about the yard for lb one 

All dogs are timed. The fastest dog goes of scratch and every 6/100ths of a second a dog is slower than the scratchdog it gets a yard start. 
So say the fastest dog does 8 seconds for 150 yards and your dog does 8.6 seconds your dog gets 10 yards start. If your dog does 9 seconds, it gets 16 yards start.

A good handicapper aims to get a dead heat in every race but it never works out that way.

The handicap is run over heats, semi finals and final. If you get beat in the heat, you get an extra yard start the next week, if your dog wins the final it gets pulled back 3 yards the next week, runner up gets pulled 2 yards and third place gets pulled 1 yard.

So, in theory, every dog gets a chance to win a handicap.

A good owner / trainer can stop/ start a dog until he feels it’s ready to win a handicap. Beating the handicapper is part of the game in whippet and greyhound racing.

Sounds complicated, but it’s not really!

Cheers.

[WataWalloper 929]

1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

All dogs are timed. The fastest dog goes of scratch and every 6/100ths of a second a dog is slower than the scratchdog it gets a yard start. 
So say the fastest dog does 8 seconds for 150 yards and your dog does 8.6 seconds your dog gets 10 yards start. If your dog does 9 seconds, it gets 16 yards start.

A good handicapper aims to get a dead heat in every race but it never works out that way.

The handicap is run over heats, semi finals and final. If you get beat in the heat, you get an extra yard start the next week, if your dog wins the final it gets pulled back 3 yards the next week, runner up gets pulled 2 yards and third place gets pulled 1 yard.

So, in theory, every dog gets a chance to win a handicap.

A good owner / trainer can stop/ start a dog until he feels it’s ready to win a handicap. Beating the handicapper is part of the game in whippet and greyhound racing.

Sounds complicated, but it’s not really!

Cheers.

Cheers for that pal, learn summat new everyday eh haha 

[comanche 3,076]

2 hours ago, WataWalloper said:

Where you get one that big?

My Mum's  last whippet was 22".

Definately a proper whippet  .Sire Cancerick Kaspar (Shown at Crufts several times and also coursed).

Dam: Layer Albertine. If l recall

Because he was on the big size and  was mostly white  he was  quite cheap .

Ted Walsh was very taken with him though .

He was a very keen hunter .  The vet's bill's stood as testimony  to that!

And he sired two litters of whippet×collie lurchers for me .Which found homes so quick l never got to keep one myself. 

 

 

[WataWalloper 929]

Just now, comanche said:

My Mum's  last whippet was 22".

Definately a proper whippet  .Sire Cancerick Kaspar (Shown at Crufts several times and also coursed).

Dam: Layer Albertine. If l recall

Because he was on the big size and  was mostly white  he was  quite cheap .

Ted Walsh was very taken with him though .

He was a very keen hunter .  The vet's bill's stood as testimony  to that!

And he sired two litters of whippet×collie lurchers for me .Which found homes so quick l never got to keep one myself. 

 

 

That’s a cracking size for a pedigree ain’t it, but bitch I had was 19” an lad who let me have her for a bit swore she was 20 on a good day, I used rip him about it haha

[chartpolski 24,585]

3 minutes ago, WataWalloper said:

Cheers for that pal, learn summat new everyday eh haha 

Many years ago I had a whippet called Blue Prince; his sire was the famous Blue Boy.

Every year there was the Blue Boy Trophy and one year I aimed to win it and I did !

I tried to win it the next year and thought I had the dog ready and the mark,(yards), to do it, but the dog peaked the week before and won the handicap, got beat the week of the Trophy, and won the handicap again the week after !

So I’ve never been the “dog man” I think I may have been ! LOL !

Forgive the quality of the picture, this was decades before digital cameras were heard of !

Cheers.

[WataWalloper 929]

5 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Many years ago I had a whippet called Blue Prince; his sire was the famous Blue Boy.

Every year there was the Blue Boy Trophy and one year I aimed to win it and I did !

I tried to win it the next year and thought I had the dog ready and the mark,(yards), to do it, but the dog peaked the week before and won the handicap, got beat the week of the Trophy, and won the handicap again the week after !

So I’ve never been the “dog man” I think I may have been ! LOL !

Forgive the quality of the picture, this was decades before digital cameras were heard of !

Cheers.

Still sn achievement to win it one year a get that far the following year. Was that the best line at the time or was there other lines that was as good? Or did that blue boy blood dominate for a bit? 
 

I was told as a kid to try an be the dog man our dog thinks we are haha summat iv always kept in mind haha 

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Just now, WataWalloper said:

Still sn achievement to win it one year a get that far the following year. Was that the best line at the time or was there other lines that was as good? Or did that blue boy blood dominate for a bit? 
 

I was told as a kid to try an be the dog man our dog thinks we are haha summat iv always kept in mind haha 

Back then there was only local dogs and we used the best in the neighbourhood. This was the 60’s, no internet, limited phones, not everyone had cars or could travel. 
There was a lot of lurcher in our dogs, and the only rules were a dog hat to be “smooth coated, under 21” and of whippet like appearance “ to run as a whippet.

Then the lads down your way, Masham, Thirsk, Dewsbery etc stared using the very best pedigree whippets, Bilko, Blue Peter, etc  over small greyhounds and breeding the best to the best.

They we’re running Yards for Pounds down there so the bigger dogs and bitches were to heavy for the 32lb limit of the time and were sent up here where weight didn’t matter.

The fastest non- ped , in my mind, ever was one of these, a bitch called Daisy sired by Bilko, out of a greyhound called Frozen Kill.

The size of a whippet and the speed of a greyhound, it won literally everything.

We jumped on the bandwagon and started travelling to use the best of the best and stared breeding from them to get the dogs we’ve got today.

Cheers.

 

[tatsblisters 10,305]

Fond memories of this little dog even though i was only a young teenager. A dog with the heart of a lion and to say he was run on some rough ground like pit stacks and industrial waste lands as well as woods and fields i can never remember him suffering any bad injuries and he lived to old age. Owned by a much older mate bought as a pup from a Silverwood miner for the priceley some of ten bob in old money. 

[WataWalloper 929]

1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

Back then there was only local dogs and we used the best in the neighbourhood. This was the 60’s, no internet, limited phones, not everyone had cars or could travel. 
There was a lot of lurcher in our dogs, and the only rules were a dog hat to be “smooth coated, under 21” and of whippet like appearance “ to run as a whippet.

Then the lads down your way, Masham, Thirsk, Dewsbery etc stared using the very best pedigree whippets, Bilko, Blue Peter, etc  over small greyhounds and breeding the best to the best.

They we’re running Yards for Pounds down there so the bigger dogs and bitches were to heavy for the 32lb limit of the time and were sent up here where weight didn’t matter.

The fastest non- ped , in my mind, ever was one of these, a bitch called Daisy sired by Bilko, out of a greyhound called Frozen Kill.

The size of a whippet and the speed of a greyhound, it won literally everything.

We jumped on the bandwagon and started travelling to use the best of the best and stared breeding from them to get the dogs we’ve got today.

Cheers.

 

Was a track in catterick, just as you come in off the a1 now where the petrol garage a lidl is, but before me arriving there. Had an elderly Scottish woman as a neighbour tho in the house we first had after leavin army sn she still had a little snapper or grew as she called it, she used tell me about racing there, was a great way to waste an hour when missus was wanting me to do summat, go out back an talk to ole Jeanie for a couple hours haga she near died a shock tho when I asked if her bitches had ever been ferreting haha best neighbour iv ever had 

[tatsblisters 10,305]

Hard to imagine these days back in the early 70s there was numerous whippet racing meetings every Sunday morning at least 4 just in the Rotherham area.