Staffy Pup Wanted

[mC HULL 13,616]

2 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Show me one ?

Show me one modern day pure family Mayfield dog that doesnt look like a typical pure family Mayfield dog ?

As for your " same family different lines " comment ....thats just nonsensical dogs are not automatically related just because they have shared heritage....if you are talking 3 or 4 generations deep then yes but we're talking about 15 odd generations( nearly 75 years ) in todays Mayfield dogs.

4 generations represents 30 individual dogs......15 generations represents around 70,000 individual dogs.....to claim that dogs are the same family just because they have a few common ancestors out of 70,000 dogs is not only plain wrong its totally absurd !

i’m not up on bulldogs mate or mayfield dogs 

i was meaning in general lines still throw out throwback 

[gnasher16 30,470]

2 minutes ago, Goly said:

I bet Japan have some decent dogs nowadays. I used to talk to a Jap who owned both Pits and Tosa's over there and matched them both, he said the lightweight Tosa's are unreal dogs now because of all the good APBT blood in them. They mostly match them to their own breed but occasionally a good catch-weight Bulldog is fought against the smaller Tosas.

They dont breed Tosa's for gameness though ,from what im told their rules are completely different to Cajun rules and gameness isnt really necessary...........defeats the whole object of the sport to my mind.

[gnasher16 30,470]

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

i’m not up on bulldogs mate or mayfield dogs 

i was meaning in general lines still throw out throwback 

Not when they're set as a family they dont....thats why they are set as a family so that the genes are predictable.....hence the reason pure family Mayfield dogs 15 generations down the line are near identical in type.

[mC HULL 13,616]

3 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Not when they're set as a family they dont....thats why they are set as a family so that the genes are predictable.....hence the reason pure family Mayfield dogs 15 generations down the line are near identical in type.

i’ll have a look mate they do breed tight don’t they 

like our black terriers identical really

what i seen in linebred coursing types things pop up now again later on 

Edited February 12 by mC HULL

[Goly 1,455]

5 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

They dont breed Tosa's for gameness though ,from what im told their rules are completely different to Cajun rules and gameness isnt really necessary...........defeats the whole object of the sport to my mind.

Yes, the traditional bouts, but he did say behind closed doors they match their lightweight Tosa's with cajun rules and proper test them. The bloke imported the first Redboy/Jocko dog in to Japan, Red Chief.

[gnasher16 30,470]

4 hours ago, Goly said:

So is Eric getting a proper Staff then or a pug cross? 

He's on the case with a few decently bred dogs i believe..........not them little caricatures representing " gameness and athleticism " posted earlier 

[gnasher16 30,470]

6 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

i’ll have a look mate they do breed tight don’t they 

like our black terriers identical really

what i seen in linebred coursing types things pop up now again later on 

Its been known for many years Mayfield dogs were bred far too tight to the point they suffered inbred suppression and basic staleness as performance dogs.....they're still a useful tool as outcross blood but the tiny minority of people worldwide who still run them pure do so more as a " collectors piece " almost.....kind of like a car enthusiast might keep and polish an old vintage racing car in preference to a modern sports car.

[mC HULL 13,616]

2 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Its been known for many years Mayfield dogs were bred far too tight to the point they suffered inbred suppression and basic staleness as performance dogs.....they're still a useful tool as outcross blood but the tiny minority of people worldwide who still run them pure do so more as a " collectors piece " almost.....kind of like a car enthusiast might keep and polish an old vintage racing car in preference to a modern sports car.

i get that mate but you can get some great dogs outcrossing them tightly inbred dogs as you say 

inbreeding depression in runners be shite skin issues with immune system mites out a hand without the other issues 

[gnasher16 30,470]

31 minutes ago, Goly said:

Yes, the traditional bouts, but he did say behind closed doors they match their lightweight Tosa's with cajun rules and proper test them. The bloke imported the first Redboy/Jocko dog in to Japan, Red Chief.

Waccamaw bred dog.....beautifully bred dog good choice as an import RBJ are creme de la creme in my opinion,i always said if i could start out as a youngster again id of been knocking on David Tants yard,old man Hollingsworth or Waccamaw.....fine animals.

If im not wrong Cajun rules is looked at as " second division " of the sport over there as its not such a cultural spectacle compared to those big b*****d things removing their robes and wrestling around .....funny lot them Japs !

Edited February 12 by gnasher16

[mC HULL 13,616]

i can remember reading about  mayfield dog went there they thought it was a shitter from the way it screamed thought it was scared 

[gnasher16 30,470]

7 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

i get that mate but you can get some great dogs outcrossing them tightly inbred dogs as you say 

inbreeding depression in runners be shite skin issues with immune system mites out a hand without the other issues 

To my mind the greatest match dogs are often an outcross of 2 inbred lines....masses of hybrid vigour with locked in man made traits that can still tolerate further inbreeding its win win.

Some of the worst inbred damage ive seen produced virtually crippled dogs never mind skin issues !

 

[mC HULL 13,616]

10 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

i can remember reading about  mayfield dog went there they thought it was a shitter from the way it screamed thought it was scared 

it was a pup mayfield sent to japan they rolled it with a tosa and the mayfield dog screaming while it fought and before so the bloke gave it away thinking it was shit ended up been a good one 

[mC HULL 13,616]

9 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

To my mind the greatest match dogs are often an outcross of 2 inbred lines....masses of hybrid vigour with locked in man made traits that can still tolerate further inbreeding its win win.

Some of the worst inbred damage ive seen produced virtually crippled dogs never mind skin issues !

 

with you i’m thinking i might go tight next time i breed father daughter something i wouldn’t normally do 

Edited February 12 by mC HULL

[Aussie Whip 4,145]

14 hours ago, Goly said:

Perhaps because they got established first before the APBT started arriving in droves? I can't see why anybody starting from scratch would choose to use EBT's over the APBT.

My mrs hunted pigs and ran a chiller for years, she always said pitbulls were too game for pig catching, even the crosses and they would rather fight the pig than work it to get an ear hold. For hunting non dangerous game this wouldn't be a problem. That's the only reason I can see and as I said the English bull is still a much more sought after cross especially with staghounds.

[Aussie Whip 4,145]

5 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Its been known for many years Mayfield dogs were bred far too tight to the point they suffered inbred suppression and basic staleness as performance dogs.....they're still a useful tool as outcross blood but the tiny minority of people worldwide who still run them pure do so more as a " collectors piece " almost.....kind of like a car enthusiast might keep and polish an old vintage racing car in preference to a modern sports car.

Do you know if this really close breeding causes bad nerves, edginess in the dogs as well?