WILF 47,720 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Goly said: Or are our governments frightened to death to tax the feck out of big businesses like they do in another developed countries in the EU? See, this is the thing, in all these conversations it’s always “tax the big business/billionaire/farmer (delete as applicable)….” In fact it’s tax anyone who has a bit more than us……but that ain’t the reality mate. Fair enough if you could see your nation getting better because of it….but do you see that ? Can you hand on heart say “If the farmer down the road looses a big chunk of his life’s work I trust politicians to use that money to make my life better” ?……I think we all know the answer to that. Nah, the reality is, the small business like a little farm shop near my old town has to find £400 a week more out of thin air (true story from the last budget) and his car is still going to get stolen and his kid is still going to have to live in a 3rd world toilet ! …….thats reality mate. What has anything anyone has seen in the last 30 years that leads them to the conclusion that politicians use more money to make their life better ?……it ludicrous mate ! People use this rather euphemistic term “the rich firms”……but these so called “rich firms” are lads on here with a little firm, working their bollocks off….they are lads like you and me ! The farmer is a lad like you and me, so was his grandad and his grandad before him……I don’t care if you have more, I think we should both be paying less ! Edited January 11 by WILF 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,653 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 24 minutes ago, WILF said: You’re paying the interest now !…..so will your kids…..and so will their grandkids ! Some folk look at these charlatans burning ordinary peoples money like it’s nothing and say “Oh, if only that small section over there paid a lot more we would get to see some benefit” Blokes like me say “EVERYONE should be paying way less because they can’t be trusted with it and they only use it to abuse us with anyway” Don’t take my word for it, the tax take has never been higher and look what’s happening outside your window ! it’ll must of been trillions they sold there soul to someone when they got in the police helicopter didn’t touch down again until about 2010 like living in a war zone all day night noisy b*****d how much just that wasted could of fed africa 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,653 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 schools went from good home cooked meals by dinner lady’s to fast food joints set up on school premises in a 10 mile radius maybe one pizza shop one the pubs shops bingo were rammed chipoy stayed open until kick out time there was a community fast forward not ten year no pub no bingo all shops that was british owned are now foreign owned and in a shit state tramped out how that government can invest so much waste so much for it to become worse is beyond me they the worst i ever thought i’d see in my time until now it’s going to get bad 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,720 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, mC HULL said: schools went from good home cooked meals by dinner lady’s to fast food joints set up on school premises in a 10 mile radius maybe one pizza shop one the pubs shops bingo were rammed chipoy stayed open until kick out time there was a community fast forward not ten year no pub no bingo all shops that was british owned are now foreign owned and in a shit state tramped out how that government can invest so much waste so much for it to become worse is beyond me they the worst i ever thought i’d see in my time until now it’s going to get bad Here’s a thing, they didn’t “invest it”…..they had a carve up with the investment banks, the banks gave them the money to piss away on pet projects and buying votes and banks got the populations life’s work in return. Literally sold their own people into a life of slavery, and that’s not being dramatic, it’s just true. That's why the proposition that if “SOMEONE ELSE” just gave them more money, our life would improve….it wouldn’t, it’s nonsense. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,720 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, mC HULL said: it’ll must of been trillions they sold there soul to someone when they got in the police helicopter didn’t touch down again until about 2010 like living in a war zone all day night noisy b*****d how much just that wasted could of fed africa Africas debt has been written off twice in my lifetime…..guess who paid for that ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,653 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 Just now, WILF said: Here’s a thing, they didn’t “invest it”…..they had a carve up with the investment banks, the banks gave them the money to piss away on pet projects and buying votes and banks got the populations life’s work in return. Literally sold their own people into a life of slavery, and that’s not being dramatic, it’s just true. That's why the proposition that if “SOMEONE ELSE” just gave them more money, our life would improve….it wouldn’t, it’s nonsense. id say your on the money wilf with what i saw it’s about bang on pub with darts snooker pigeons men up to 50 playing rugby football every sunday park field full a teams football rugby mid week dogs speedway the people had time to do as they wanted now every bloke you know works and sits on couch lucky to have one hobby or money to have one 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 24,644 Posted January 11 Author Report Share Posted January 11 I simply don’t agree with this “we should all be equal” Labour/Socialist/Communist nonsense. I don’t want to be equal to the lazy bloke who isn’t interested in working for a living or bettering his circumstances. Im not clever enough to be an entrepreneur or brave enough to risk everything to start up a business but I don’t despise the success of people who do. Of course we have to support the sick, the old, the disadvantaged , but to make everyone “equal “ inevitably means “levelling down”. Lets not forget, Big Business and the rich pay the majority of tax, something like the top 10% pay 90% of the tax, they also employ people. Tax the rich ‘till the pips squeak” , as someone once suggested doesn’t work, they simply move their assets abroad or outsource there production. I don’t know the answers, but I like the old saying “charity begins at home” and we should stop borrowing money to give away to people and countries that hate us. It won’t make them suddenly like us more, it makes the see is as a soft touch and come back with their hands out asking for more.. Cheers. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,512 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 22 minutes ago, WILF said: See, this is the thing, in all these conversations it’s always “tax the big business/billionaire/farmer (delete as applicable)….” In fact it’s tax anyone who has a bit more than us……but that ain’t the reality mate. Fair enough if you could see your nation getting better because of it….but do you see that ? Can you hand on heart say “If the farmer down the road looses a big chunk of his life’s work I trust politicians to use that money to make my life better” ?……I think we all know the answer to that. Nah, the reality is, the small business like a little farm shop near my old town has to find £400 a week more out of thin air (true story from the last budget) and his car is still going to get stolen and his kid is still going to have to live in a 3rd world toilet ! …….thats reality mate. What has anything anyone has seen in the last 30 years that leads them to the conclusion that politicians use more money to make their life better ?……it ludicrous mate ! People use this rather euphemistic term “the rich firms”……but these so called “rich firms” are lads on here with a little firm, working their bollocks off….they are lads like you and me ! The farmer is a lad like you and me, so was his grandad and his grandad before him……I don’t care if you have more, I think we should both be paying less ! I'm not talking about the farmer or the small time trader, I'm talking about multinational corporations, the abuse of limited liability within our economy, the mega rich who exploit tax havens, etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,720 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, chartpolski said: I simply don’t agree with this “we should all be equal” Labour/Socialist/Communist nonsense. I don’t want to be equal to the lazy bloke who isn’t interested in working for a living or bettering his circumstances. Im not clever enough to be an entrepreneur or brave enough to risk everything to start up a business but I don’t despise the success of people who do. Of course we have to support the sick, the old, the disadvantaged , but to make everyone “equal “ inevitably means “levelling down”. Lets not forget, Big Business and the rich pay the majority of tax, something like the top 10% pay 90% of the tax, they also employ people. Tax the rich ‘till the pips squeak” , as someone once suggested doesn’t work, they simply move their assets abroad or outsource there production. I don’t know the answers, but I like the old saying “charity begins at home” and we should stop borrowing money to give away to people and countries that hate us. It won’t make them suddenly like us more, it makes the see is as a soft touch and come back with their hands out asking for more.. Cheers. What these folks want is an equitable sharing of miseries mate…..it’s a race to the bottom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,720 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 Just now, Goly said: I'm not talking about the farmer or the small time trader, I'm talking about multinational corporations, the abuse of limited liability within our economy, the mega rich who exploit tax havens, etc. When you talk about one, you talk about them all….thats how it works ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,512 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 6 minutes ago, chartpolski said: I simply don’t agree with this “we should all be equal” Labour/Socialist/Communist nonsense. I don’t want to be equal to the lazy bloke who isn’t interested in working for a living or bettering his circumstances. Im not clever enough to be an entrepreneur or brave enough to risk everything to start up a business but I don’t despise the success of people who do. Of course we have to support the sick, the old, the disadvantaged , but to make everyone “equal “ inevitably means “levelling down”. Lets not forget, Big Business and the rich pay the majority of tax, something like the top 10% pay 90% of the tax, they also employ people. Tax the rich ‘till the pips squeak” , as someone once suggested doesn’t work, they simply move their assets abroad or outsource there production. I don’t know the answers, but I like the old saying “charity begins at home” and we should stop borrowing money to give away to people and countries that hate us. It won’t make them suddenly like us more, it makes the see is as a soft touch and come back with their hands out asking for more.. Cheers. ‘Wealth taxes will cause the rich to flee’: 12 wealth tax myths debunked - Tax Justice UK https://taxjustice.uk/blog/wealth-taxes-will-cause-the-rich-to-flee-12-wealth-tax-myths-debunked/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,653 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 Just now, WILF said: What these folks want is an equitable sharing of miseries mate…..it’s a race to the bottom. you know what makes me laugh is the nut cases like jukel lol that want to level up lol under the conservatives in 90s everything was about level no one had much but they had enough and they were a better time and people since the socialists had a go every c**t wants more and better then the next and will throw them under the bus to get or stop them getting it the left are a curse 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,653 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 knock on a neighbour to use phone or some sugar in out of each others houses fridges lol now you neighbour will ring council if your bin lid isn’t down 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 13,653 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Goly said: ‘Wealth taxes will cause the rich to flee’: 12 wealth tax myths debunked - Tax Justice UK https://taxjustice.uk/blog/wealth-taxes-will-cause-the-rich-to-flee-12-wealth-tax-myths-debunked/ instead of reading shite sandy lol just look listen lol Edited January 11 by mC HULL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,512 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mC HULL said: you know what makes me laugh is the nut cases like jukel lol that want to level up lol under the conservatives in 90s everything was about level no one had much but they had enough and they were a better time and people since the socialists had a go every c**t wants more and better then the next and will throw them under the bus to get or stop them getting it the left are a curse Yeah, it was great under the Tories in the 80's and 90's, especially in villages like mine, one would think they had our best interests at heart, what with shutting down our industries and leaving thousands in search of jobs, the good old days. You clearly weren't blessed with any brains at all. Lol Edited January 11 by Goly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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