Banana Republic ?

[WILF 47,349]

Can still find £50 million quid a week for the 3rd world boat people mind you……but Farmer Giles not handing over an extra £300,000 is the problem ! lol 

[jukel123 8,341]

11 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Much like Brown sold off our gold…. As I regularly say, I despise both the Tory’s and Labour.

The Tory’s took 14 years to become so toxic they were roundly rejected; Labour have done it in six months.

It won’t be everyone’s favourite reading, but the financial reports paint an alarming picture of the British economy.

Gilt buyers demanding higher and higher returns; fiscal overhead reduced from £11 billion to £1 billion, OBR projected growth this year of 2% now adjusted to zero growth.

In other words we are virtually skint and being held to ransom by lenders. 
To buy in the gas and oil to keep us going will mean borrowing more and paying more, a fiscal downward spiral that gets increasingly difficult to halt, especially with a socialist monetary policy.

I hate to be the harbinger of doom, but things don’t look good…, 

Cheers.

No difference of opinion there mate.

[chartpolski 24,139]

3 minutes ago, WILF said:

Can still find £50 million quid a week for the 3rd world boat people mind you……but Farmer Giles not handing over an extra £300,000 is the problem ! lol 

£22 billion to Norway for a carbon capture plant that won’t make one iota of difference to world climate change.

£15 billion per year on overseas aid,

£12 billion for eco projects in Africa,

£3 billion extra per year guaranteed “for as long as needed “ to Ukraine,

£500 million to FOREIGN farmers.

£350 million in aid to India , the worlds third or fourth biggest economy, bigger than ours !

Thats just off the top of my head, there will be far more.

Cheers.

[WILF 47,349]

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

£22 billion to Norway for a carbon capture plant that won’t make one iota of difference to world climate change.

£15 billion per year on overseas aid,

£12 billion for eco projects in Africa,

£3 billion extra per year guaranteed “for as long as needed “ to Ukraine,

£500 million to FOREIGN farmers.

£350 million in aid to India , the worlds third or fourth biggest economy, bigger than ours !

Thats just off the top of my head, there will be far more.

Cheers.

So, I have to ask myself, would any sane person want to give them more money to burn……I have a lot of time for what my mate Jukel has to say but he does let his inner “comrade” out now and again !

Like a mad uncle let loose at a family wedding ! lol 

[jukel123 8,341]

14 minutes ago, WILF said:

Why do you want them to pay more tax mate ?…..what is the benefit of that to any of the British population ? 
Genuine question ?

If half of every farmers land gos to the government in tax, what exactly will your indigenous British person gain ?

Your second paragraph is daft Wilf. Half of their land in tax? Not gonna happen.

The system is loaded in favour of the haves. Ordinary Joes like us have our bollox squeezed. The top ten per cent in this country are doing far better than their counterparts in the rest of Europe. Stats show this.

This is not class envy or class war on my part. It's the system that fucks us over at every turn. It ain't fair bruv.Its a  loaded dice. "Please sir I want some more." It's not to much to ask ffs.

Let's say the so called nightmare scenario happens for the farmers and significant numbers have to sell up. Great! The little fellas have a chance to buy a few acres. Factory farming and Frankenstein chickens cease to exist. Everybody's happy...maybe lol.

 

 

[chartpolski 24,139]

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

 

Let's say the so called nightmare scenario happens for the farmers and significant numbers have to sell up. Great! The little fellas have a chance to buy a few acres. Factory farming and Frankenstein chickens cease to exist. Everybody's happy...maybe lol.

 

 

Problem is it a catch 22, a vicious circle.

Farms that have been in the same families for centuries, I’m not talking about landed gentry, they allways find a way round iht and death duties , I’m talking about normal everyday farmers like the ones who let me do a bit of ferreting , who I buy a bag of wheat from for my hens, they are asset rich because the price of land has risen dramatically because the big businesses, hedge funds, pension funds, etc have bought up land as a tax haven. These small family farmers now have very little cash in real terms and a profit margin of around 0.5-1%. So when the farmer dies, his son has to sell off part of the land to pay the iht, the land is so expensive it’s only the very rich or big business that can afford to buy it. To counteract the closure of the iht break, they put up windmills or solar farms, or as the Duke of Northumberland is presently doing near me, building a battery facility on what was arable land, and get huge subsidies, look up David Cameron’s father in law.

Result; the farmer grows less food or goes out of business, food prices and inflation go up, the money collected from iht is nullified by the subsidy's.

If Rachel from accounts can’t see this but people like me can, there’s something seriously wrong.

Cheers.

[jukel123 8,341]

8 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Problem is it a catch 22, a vicious circle.

Farms that have been in the same families for centuries, I’m not talking about landed gentry, they allways find a way round iht and death duties , I’m talking about normal everyday farmers like the ones who let me do a bit of ferreting , who I buy a bag of wheat from for my hens, they are asset rich because the price of land has risen dramatically because the big businesses, hedge funds, pension funds, etc have bought up land as a tax haven. These small family farmers now have very little cash in real terms and a profit margin of around 0.5-1%. So when the farmer dies, his son has to sell off part of the land to pay the iht, the land is so expensive it’s only the very rich or big business that can afford to buy it. To counteract the closure of the iht break, they put up windmills or solar farms, or as the Duke of Northumberland is presently doing near me, building a battery facility on what was arable land, and get huge subsidies, look up David Cameron’s father in law.

Result; the farmer grows less food or goes out of business, food prices and inflation go up, the money collected from iht is nullified by the subsidy's.

If Rachel from accounts can’t see this but people like me can, there’s something seriously wrong.

Cheers.

Yes I can see that. Isn't that the direction that capitalism has left us? The powerful and the mega rich are running the show and politicians their willing,greasy puppets?

Heath coined the phrase " the unacceptable face of capitalism". Good sound byte and much more true than it was then. 

Legislation should be introduced to curtail obscenely powerful monopolies from gaining  too much leverage. But catch 22 again. Which party is going to challenge the plutocrats and oligarchs?

When are we going to get a level playing field....answers on a postcard.

In the meantime a little tweak to the tax system whereby farmers pay a few quid extra and get ten years to pay up , is a tiny step towards fairness.

 

[tatsblisters 10,031]

Anyone in there 40s with a trade under their belt or a job that's in demand in other countries mentioned on this thread need to really consider the move. I remember in my early 20s seeing adverts for miners in Australia though never considered it as the country was not as bad as it is now even under the governance of Thatcher. 

[WILF 47,349]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Your second paragraph is daft Wilf. Half of their land in tax? Not gonna happen.

The system is loaded in favour of the haves. Ordinary Joes like us have our bollox squeezed. The top ten per cent in this country are doing far better than their counterparts in the rest of Europe. Stats show this.

This is not class envy or class war on my part. It's the system that fucks us over at every turn. It ain't fair bruv.Its a  loaded dice. "Please sir I want some more." It's not to much to ask ffs.

Let's say the so called nightmare scenario happens for the farmers and significant numbers have to sell up. Great! The little fellas have a chance to buy a few acres. Factory farming and Frankenstein chickens cease to exist. Everybody's happy...maybe lol.

 

 

In the politest way possible mate, a farm can’t exist as a business on small acreage….you’re living in a land of fantasy…..unless you want to pay £20 for your Sunday  chicken ?……if you do, great, then it works. 
Do you ?

It will be housing estates, period ! 
 

And, I’ll ask again, what will the government do with these men lives work in the form of a tax payment ?…….what do British people get out of that ?

Edited January 10 by WILF

[WILF 47,349]

19 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Yes I can see that. Isn't that the direction that capitalism has left us? The powerful and the mega rich are running the show and politicians their willing,greasy puppets?

Heath coined the phrase " the unacceptable face of capitalism". Good sound byte and much more true than it was then. 

Legislation should be introduced to curtail obscenely powerful monopolies from gaining  too much leverage. But catch 22 again. Which party is going to challenge the plutocrats and oligarchs?

When are we going to get a level playing field....answers on a postcard.

In the meantime a little tweak to the tax system whereby farmers pay a few quid extra and get ten years to pay up , is a tiny step towards fairness.

 

There’s nothing “fair” about the taking another man’s money…..not yours and not theirs ! Fair is a nonsense word when put in the same context as tax……it was the buzz word of the Cameron/Clegg government, absolute claptrap……translated it means “More of your money to piss away” 

Its only “fair” if everyone pays exactly the same % and they don’t burn it !…..then we may, just may, be able to say it’s “fair” 

But I digress…..

Edited January 10 by WILF

[WILF 47,349]

43 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Problem is it a catch 22, a vicious circle.

Farms that have been in the same families for centuries, I’m not talking about landed gentry, they allways find a way round iht and death duties , I’m talking about normal everyday farmers like the ones who let me do a bit of ferreting , who I buy a bag of wheat from for my hens, they are asset rich because the price of land has risen dramatically because the big businesses, hedge funds, pension funds, etc have bought up land as a tax haven. These small family farmers now have very little cash in real terms and a profit margin of around 0.5-1%. So when the farmer dies, his son has to sell off part of the land to pay the iht, the land is so expensive it’s only the very rich or big business that can afford to buy it. To counteract the closure of the iht break, they put up windmills or solar farms, or as the Duke of Northumberland is presently doing near me, building a battery facility on what was arable land, and get huge subsidies, look up David Cameron’s father in law.

Result; the farmer grows less food or goes out of business, food prices and inflation go up, the money collected from iht is nullified by the subsidy's.

If Rachel from accounts can’t see this but people like me can, there’s something seriously wrong.

Cheers.

You have found a very polite and very long winded way to tell our friend Jukel he is talking out of his arse ! Lol 

No offence intended Jukel.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,105]

2 hours ago, mushroom said:

Just checked it out and it's not easy but I technically could qualify for a Kiwi one.

 

[scotty12 2,194]

14 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

Anyone in there 40s with a trade under their belt or a job that's in demand in other countries mentioned on this thread need to really consider the move. I remember in my early 20s seeing adverts for miners in Australia though never considered it as the country was not as bad as it is now even under the governance of Thatcher. 

Problem is mate cost of living is through the roof most places world wide, seen a few family's in the last year went to Australia on tick tock and we're back within 6moths to a year. we ain't the only ones with a tyranny government mate. 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,105]

3 hours ago, scotty12 said:

Thought sitting bull was your grandad ? 
 

dances with hullves

[mushroom 13,180]

6 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

 

That would new OZ not NZ