The Bible.

[Goly 609]

5 minutes ago, WILF said:

So what you want is for some unknown infinite being to wave a wand and make everything hunky dory without you having to do a thing? You just get to do what you always do ?……and then we expand that out to humanity….hows that work ?

They can just crack on and some “entity” comes along behind and just keeps cleaning up their shit in order to prove to folks who don’t give a shit its own existence? 

“God don’t exist because something terrible happened…..something terrible that all humanity’s stupid little micro decisions lead up to as they ploughed through life heedless of anything except what benefitted them…but it’s “Gods” fault “ ! 
 

 

Ok, so explain how poor innocent children dying of the most horrendous of diseases is in anyway their fault? There is not one single explanation that can be acceptable!

[Francie, 2,258]

29 minutes ago, Goly said:

Ok, so explain how poor innocent children dying of the most horrendous of diseases is in anyway their fault? There is not one single explanation that can be acceptable!

I would blame us,men,there are countless cures to all these diseases in the natural world but they are suppressed for profit an greed an that's a fact

[Goly 609]

2 minutes ago, Francie, said:

I would blame us,men,there are countless cures to all these diseases in the natural world but they are suppressed for profit an greed an that's a fact

What utter bollocks.

[Francie, 2,258]

8 minutes ago, Goly said:

What utter bollocks.

Is it aye,OK take cancer for instance,billion dollar disease which many people have cured with natural remedies,thc oil,ivermectin,fenbenzanole,change of food,fasting.

The suffering that's caused on this earth is all our doing an no one else

[Stavross 15,878]

Touting for business around here today, numbers must be falling, I was very polite didn’t mention dinosaurs and even offered them a brew because the old dear looked freezing doing her gods work 

[WILF 47,246]

55 minutes ago, Goly said:

Ok, so explain how poor innocent children dying of the most horrendous of diseases is in anyway their fault? There is not one single explanation that can be acceptable!

There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation if you take emotion out of the equation.

First and foremost we have to get rid of the presumption that living is based on some kind of points system and only the most worthy get to live.

Secondly, I take it that it’s a given with most people that every creature on this planet  can’t all live indefinitely otherwise there wouldn’t be any room and everything would cease to exist.

Death is cruel because of its very randomness, but if you look at the big picture it’s also fair  precisely because of that randomness.

Death don’t care if you are rich or poor, old or young, nasty or nice….the system can’t be cheated in any way at all, that’s why it’s so fair.

Everyone in this world wants to say “why me?”, what you will rarely hear is “why not me!” …….and once you can live with “why not me?” Then you stop being bitter about stuff.

jmho of course 

Edited yesterday at 13:04 by WILF

[WILF 47,246]

23 minutes ago, Goly said:

What utter bollocks.

Is it ?…..go on then, explain ?

[mC HULL 12,947]

12 minutes ago, WILF said:

There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation if you take emotion out of the equation.

First and foremost we have to get rid of the presumption that living is based on some kind of points system and only the most worthy get to live.

Secondly, I take it that it’s a given with most people that every creature on this planet  can’t all live indefinitely otherwise there wouldn’t be any room and everything would cease to exist.

Death is cruel because of its very randomness, but if you look at the big picture it’s also fair  precisely because of that randomness.

Death don’t care if you are rich or poor, old or young, nasty or nice….the system can’t be cheated in any way at all, that’s why it’s so fair.

Everyone in this world wants to say “why me?”, what you will rarely hear is “why not me!” …….and once you can live with “why not me?” Then you stop being bitter about stuff.

jmho of course 

wise words 

[Goly 609]

10 minutes ago, WILF said:

There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation if you take emotion out of the equation.

First and foremost we have to get rid of the presumption that living is based on some kind of points system and only the most worthy get to live.

Secondly, I take it that it’s a given with most people that every creature on this planet  can’t all live indefinitely otherwise there wouldn’t be any room and everything would cease to exist.

Death is cruel because of its very randomness, but if you look at the big picture it’s also fair  precisely because of that randomness.

Death don’t care if you are rich or poor, old or young, nasty or nice….the system can’t be cheated in any way at all, that’s why it’s so fair.

Everyone in this world wants to say “why me?”, what you will rarely hear is “why not me!” …….and once you can live with “why not me?” Then you stop being bitter about stuff.

jmho of course 

What you have just posted there is inadvertently describing natural selection. Randomness, impartiality, etc, are all hallmarks of how nature operates.

Life & death are basically mechanisms to maintain balance, they have no regard for fairness or meaning, there is no guiding hand or moral purpose behind it.

[Goly 609]

7 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

wise words 

Very wise, natural selection at it's finest my young Darwinian! 

[Wolfdog91 7,206]

1 hour ago, Goly said:

Sounds all a bit patronising to me, I mean if God is this all-knowing being, shouldn't he have chosen a better way to communicate than smiting people? A good parent explains and gives guidance and doesn't just dish out punishment and says, you'll thank me later. It hardly feels like the work of the devine and more like a power trip, obey me or suffer.

Nahhhh a good parent understands what a child really needs . It's cute to think that all kids just need a firm talking to to and that's it across the board in every situation...yeah no.

Just not like that . Not a parent but from all the babysitting and shit I do with kids and looking back at myself...some kids / people need to learn the hard way to make shit stick . Pain retains as on of my sergeants used to say. 

For instance I was one of those kids who always had to ask why and find out for myself. I had to keep f****n with something till I get bit persay till I went ....aahhhhh mom was right I should f**k with this because this shit is painful. 

Prime example, Grandma was doin her hair one day. Lol 5yr old me was curious what her curling iron did. She says no no that hot don't touch it. After the third time she said ok find out. Well my dumb ass touched it got a lil burn and I never f****d with it again. My brother pretty opposite. You say don't do something and explain why hell say ok and not do it.

I mean you can go as far as to look at counties. It a like how eveyone kept saying we shouldn't let the third world in and no one would listen to common sense now people are running around going WHAT HAPPENED?! Some people need to learn the hard way.

That who deal also , however shows that yeah even though your being a complete ass hat, you f****n up back to back to back you not learning shit from all these punishments...Gods still gonna be there for you when you get you shit together and your ready.

 

And here's another thing that people seem to not understand. As a Christian your life is gonna be hard.  It's not supposed to be this cute lil cake walk and sky daddy's is just gonna give you every lil thing you want. That's honestly where people have the whole thing f****d. So many have the comfort mentality now. Life should be easy , I shouldn't have to struggle if God was real and really loved me every thing would just be rainbows and unicorns.lol nah look at society right now, where everyone wants to just be all safe and comfortable and coddled and get back with me ...

If you come at it from the perspective that the world is f****d now even though it was SUPPOSED TO BE great and perfect at a time , life is gonna suck now .... it's not fair and you need to grow a pair and ask the big man to help you get through it it starts making more sense. 

I forgot who it was but one of them great philosophy people wrote this big long deal on why good men MUST suffer and it's a good read regardless.

Now all that being said hay look if you can go though life being a fire breathing dragon of a good man without faith, looks I have an insane amount of respect for you, like honestly, seriously , ad props 

[Francie, 2,258]

Just now, Goly said:

Very wise, natural selection at it's finest my young Darwinian! 

Hahahahahaha Darwin has been well debunked ffs 

But here I don't care what you beleive,each to there own I'm just giving you some of your own medicine lol

[Wolfdog91 7,206]

1 hour ago, Goly said:

Sounds all a bit patronising to me, I mean if God is this all-knowing being, shouldn't he have chosen a better way to communicate than smiting people? A good parent explains and gives guidance and doesn't just dish out punishment and says, you'll thank me later. It hardly feels like the work of the devine and more like a power trip, obey me or suffer.

Nahhhh a good parent understands what a child really needs . It's cute to think that all kids just need a firm talking to to and that's it across the board in every situation...yeah no.

Just not like that . Not a parent but from all the babysitting and shit I do with kids and looking back at myself...some kids / people need to learn the hard way to make shit stick . Pain retains as on of my sergeants used to say. 

For instance I was one of those kids who always had to ask why and find out for myself. I had to keep f****n with something till I get bit persay till I went ....aahhhhh mom was right I should f**k with this because this shit is painful. 

Prime example, Grandma was doin her hair one day. Lol 5yr old me was curious what her curling iron did. She says no no that hot don't touch it. After the third time she said ok find out. Well my dumb ass touched it got a lil burn and I never f****d with it again. My brother pretty opposite. You say don't do something and explain why hell say ok and not do it.

I mean you can go as far as to look at counties. It a like how eveyone kept saying we shouldn't let the third world in and no one would listen to common sense now people are running around going WHAT HAPPENED?! Some people need to learn the hard way.

That who deal also , however shows that yeah even though your being a complete ass hat, you f****n up back to back to back you not learning shit from all these punishments...Gods still gonna be there for you when you get you shit together and your ready.

 

And here's another thing that people seem to not understand. As a Christian your life is gonna be hard.  It's not supposed to be this cute lil cake walk and sky daddy's is just gonna give you every lil thing you want. That's honestly where people have the whole thing f****d. So many have the comfort mentality now. Life should be easy , I shouldn't have to struggle if God was real and really loved me every thing would just be rainbows and unicorns.lol nah look at society right now, where everyone wants to just be all safe and comfortable and coddled and get back with me ...

If you come at it from the perspective that the world is f****d now even though it was SUPPOSED TO BE great and perfect at a time , life is gonna suck now .... it's not fair and you need to grow a pair and ask the big man to help you get through it it starts making more sense. 

I forgot who it was but one of them great philosophy people wrote this big long deal on why good men MUST suffer and it's a good read regardless.

And btw I swear I'm not trying to be rude or asshole to anyone so if I come off like that I truly and sincerely apologize. It's just easier for me to explain this stuff into he manner then acting like a priest and tossing ye olde Bible talk at ya

Now all that being said hay look if you can go though life being a fire breathing dragon of a good man without faith, looks I have an insane amount of respect for you, like honestly, seriously , mad props 

[Wolfdog91 7,206]

1 hour ago, Goly said:

Sounds all a bit patronising to me, I mean if God is this all-knowing being, shouldn't he have chosen a better way to communicate than smiting people? A good parent explains and gives guidance and doesn't just dish out punishment and says, you'll thank me later. It hardly feels like the work of the devine and more like a power trip, obey me or suffer.

 Sorry phone being weird and keeps reposting my reply 

Edited yesterday at 13:35 by Wolfdog91

[Goly 609]

15 minutes ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Nahhhh a good parent understands what a child really needs . It's cute to think that all kids just need a firm talking to to and that's it across the board in every situation...yeah no.

Just not like that . Not a parent but from all the babysitting and shit I do with kids and looking back at myself...some kids / people need to learn the hard way to make shit stick . Pain retains as on of my sergeants used to say. 

For instance I was one of those kids who always had to ask why and find out for myself. I had to keep f****n with something till I get bit persay till I went ....aahhhhh mom was right I should f**k with this because this shit is painful. 

Prime example, Grandma was doin her hair one day. Lol 5yr old me was curious what her curling iron did. She says no no that hot don't touch it. After the third time she said ok find out. Well my dumb ass touched it got a lil burn and I never f****d with it again. My brother pretty opposite. You say don't do something and explain why hell say ok and not do it.

I mean you can go as far as to look at counties. It a like how eveyone kept saying we shouldn't let the third world in and no one would listen to common sense now people are running around going WHAT HAPPENED?! Some people need to learn the hard way.

That who deal also , however shows that yeah even though your being a complete ass hat, you f****n up back to back to back you not learning shit from all these punishments...Gods still gonna be there for you when you get you shit together and your ready.

 

And here's another thing that people seem to not understand. As a Christian your life is gonna be hard.  It's not supposed to be this cute lil cake walk and sky daddy's is just gonna give you every lil thing you want. That's honestly where people have the whole thing f****d. So many have the comfort mentality now. Life should be easy , I shouldn't have to struggle if God was real and really loved me every thing would just be rainbows and unicorns.lol nah look at society right now, where everyone wants to just be all safe and comfortable and coddled and get back with me ...

If you come at it from the perspective that the world is f****d now even though it was SUPPOSED TO BE great and perfect at a time , life is gonna suck now .... it's not fair and you need to grow a pair and ask the big man to help you get through it it starts making more sense. 

I forgot who it was but one of them great philosophy people wrote this big long deal on why good men MUST suffer and it's a good read regardless.

And btw I swear I'm not trying to be rude or asshole to anyone so if I come off like that I truly and sincerely apologize. It's just easier for me to explain this stuff into he manner then acting like a priest and tossing ye olde Bible talk at ya

Now all that being said hay look if you can go though life being a fire breathing dragon of a good man without faith, looks I have an insane amount of respect for you, like honestly, seriously , mad props 

Nobody is wanting things on a plate, humans achieve things by their own actions, it's as simple as that. We don't need God or Jesus, we just need our own brilliance and perseverance.