Greyman 28,876 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Each to there own, if it helps you in life then just do you, religion to me is like having a dick, we all got one but no one wants it shoved in there face, 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfdog91 7,320 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Also just got a say you should have some sense and not be scared to question, just believing something because your supposed to is retarded. Just believing the Bible because you where raised to or something is just stupid.. it's like people who hate another race or only vote one way because their whole live that's what they where told to do any they dont have the balls to question or think...... Not hard to tell when your talking to one of those types either 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,087 Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 I've just ordered the ESV on the web, only a tenner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,538 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 (edited) So Mary was married to Joseph but she was a virgin. God impregnated her. Joseph was happy his wife had been impregnated by another being. She had no other children. God gave Jesus to us to save the world but we betrayed and crucified him but he wasn't dead. Then Eve ate that f****n and all children from then on were born filthy sinners. But that sin could be wiped clean if special water was poured on their head. Those that miss out on the special water are fecked. Jesus hung out with life's losers and whipped the traders out of the temple. So we built massive empires of wealth and corruption called religions to worship him. If Jesus were real he would vomit at the established religions and churches worldwide. We remember him and are made holy by drinking wine which has metamorphosed into his blood and bread which has changed into his body. Yum yum. What a weird LSD trip to teach your children. Religion imo, has been a force for industrial evil in the world. They are abusive stories to mess with children's minds. Humanism or pantheism I can understand. Edited January 8 by jukel123 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,452 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 12 minutes ago, jukel123 said: So Mary was married to Joseph but she was a virgin. God impregnated her. Joseph was happy his wife had been impregnated by another being. She had no other children. God gave Jesus to us to save the world but we betrayed and crucified him but he wasn't dead. Then Eve ate that f****n and all children from then on were born filthy sinners. But that sin could be wiped clean if special water was poured on their head. Those that miss out on the special water are fecked. Jesus hung out with life's losers and whipped the traders out of the temple. So we built massive empires of wealth and corruption called religion to worship him. If Jesus were real he would vomit at the established religions and churches worldwide. We remember him and are made holy by drinking wine which has metamorphosed into his blood and bread which has changed into his body. Yum yum. What a weird LSD trip to teach your children. Religion imo, has been a force for industrial evil in the world. They are abusive stories to mess with children's minds. Humanism or pantheism I can understand. I think it’s worth saying that (imho) there is a massive difference between a belief/faith in something more & organised religion (a club). Let’s not forget that long before the written word our ancestors had a belief in something more and that was globally. These people didn’t even know each other existed and yet if you look their belief systems are remarkably similar, I think most of us who like the countryside and outdoors, can at least understand the feeling of something bigger than us. 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfdog91 7,320 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 8 minutes ago, WILF said: I think it’s worth saying that (imho) there is a massive difference between a belief/faith in something more & organised religion (a club). Let’s not forget that long before the written word our ancestors had a belief in something more and that was globally. These people didn’t even know each other existed and yet if you look their belief systems are remarkably similar, I think most of us who like the countryside and outdoors, can at least understand the feeling of something bigger than us. Damn never thought I'd say this...but you about took the words out of my mouth.. I mean in all honesty you can make anything into a horrible dystopia if you think the right way... And faith / religion is no different then say field sports. I mean honestly gimme your nations history and achievements and I can make it into a horrible whatever in not much time at all. ...shit the British should know that treatment better then anyone. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,538 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, WILF said: I think it’s worth saying that (imho) there is a massive difference between a belief/faith in something more & organised religion (a club). Let’s not forget that long before the written word our ancestors had a belief in something more and that was globally. These people didn’t even know each other existed and yet if you look their belief systems are remarkably similar, I think most of us who like the countryside and outdoors, can at least understand the feeling of something bigger than us. I'm open minded about there being a creator of the universe. But religions , as you say, are clubs with weird rules about celibacy, hair, holy days, ceremonies, guilt and above all giving them money. Yes there is a special peace about being one with nature , not intentionally hurting anyone and being decent to others. Definitely. Wolfdog, if people gain some form of security or peace in believing in God, that's good. But I maintain the right to have my own opinion. If I've created a dystopian world then that's the way it is. I'm not telling lies. My old faith, Catholicism murdered and sold babies on a grand scale and has been a hiding place for brutal paedophiles. The Church of England, Islam,and Judaism also have their share of monsters. Wherever you get immensely powerful and innocent children you get horrific abuse. And they all demand money from their followers. Religions are hiding places for hypocrites and child abusers. We even saw on TV the Dalai lLama tongue kissing a child. The 'chosen one' was 'hiding' in full sight. It's dystopian all right, it's reality. Edited January 8 by jukel123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfdog91 7,320 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 40 minutes ago, jukel123 said: I'm open minded about there being a creator of the universe. But religions are, as you say, are clubs with weird rules about celibacy, hair, holy days, ceremonies, guilt and above all giving them money. Yes there is a special peace about being one with nature , not intentionally hurting anyone and being decent to others. Definitely. Wolfdog, if people gain some form of security or peace in believing in God, that's good. But I maintain the right to have my own opinion. If I've created a dystopian world then that's the way it is. I'm not telling lies. My old faith, Catholicism murdered and sold babies on a grand scale and has been a hiding place for brutal paedophiles. The Church of England, Islam,and Judaism also have their share of monsters. Wherever you get immensely powerful and innocent children you get horrific abuse. And they all demand money from their followers. Religions are hiding places for hypocrites and child abusers. We even saw on TV the Dalai lLama tongue kissing a child. The 'chosen one' was 'hiding' in full sight. It's dystopian all right, it's reality. Again organized religion, and the actual deal are two separate things . Personally I don't go to church, honestly can't stand being around most Christians. Hell most of the religious I talk to are wiccans, Norse pagans and similar .Most are too brain dead to question whoever is preaching to them which isn't good at all. How the church is able to do all this shit and no one says anything....even though the Bible says idk how much stuff about being beware of false leaders , not to just follow anyone willy nilly ...pretty sure there's some stuff in there about how pedophile priests and the like should be publicly executed ect. Shit most churches around here are basically cults..bunch of pageantry to impress one another. Don't take a rocket scientist. But again the Bible doesn't say : your a priest so it's totally ok for you to rape lil boys , embezzle money , and lead people astray. But like I said it's no different then a lot of stuff. Tons of animals abusers in the outdoor and the like. Just got a be willing to have a pair of balls and question instead of being a good lil sheep and going with the flow 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harryshounds 1,188 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 About control. All organized religion is about control, all lies and spoof. It's been a cancer on humanity since the middle ages. Christian, Muslim, what ever one ya wanna pick, all nonsense. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty12 2,317 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, chartpolski said: I guess it depends on which bible you read and follow. The Old Testament with its vengeful, angry God who tormented Job just for a bet with the devil, who turned Lots wife to stone, who believed in a tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye, who destroyed the whole of man kind apart from one chosen family. Or the New Testament with its kind and loving God who gave his only begotten son to save mankind, who said love thy neighbour, turn the other cheek, forgave those who crucified his son. A lot of contradictions between the two books of the bible. Cheers. But there's different versions of the bible ? Which one to follow ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goly 1,087 Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, scotty12 said: But there's different versions of the bible ? Which one to follow ? I've just bought the English standard version, if you want to read Shakespeare style writing then go for the King James version. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 6,968 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 3 hours ago, Goly said: In a momentary lapse of faith whilst battling the worst case of TB the world has ever seen, I decided to give the bible a read, the new testament to be precise. I think I'm right in reading Matthew first? Well, got around 10 chapters in. Up to press it's all Jesus healing people, from lepers, to the blind, he even supposedly raised people from the dead. Conveniently it doesn't go in to much detail, it's all, he asked Jesus to make him see, so Jesus made him see, and then jesus asked Joe to follow him and so Joe followed him. I'm going to put more effort in at some point, but so far, I find it hard to understand why people would listen to the bible over science. We all like a feel good fairy story ,makes the day to day drudgery more bearable, or their's many over ways ,but some get their solace from religion ,what ever floats your boat I guess ?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty12 2,317 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, Goly said: I've just bought the English standard version, if you want to read Shakespeare style writing then go for the King James version. But that's the thing the bible has been tampered with so much over the years to suit whoever's agenda. The king james version is the most popular world wide ? But he was a poof and had a liking for young boys lol so how can his version be relevant ? I'm sure Jesus didn't approve of Jobby pokers So much important stuff has been erased in the bible and so much nonsense added to it you would probably have to go back to the Ethiopian bible to get the nearest accuracy at present our history has been fabricated to suit the victors at the the time and a lot of our history hidden just read and go along with what's resonates with your consciousness you know yourself what's right and what's wrong in life. Your body is your church/temple people think you need to go to church to pray or be religious but it's all inside you 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 6,968 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Get into the Koran, it's the nuts ,better than any Stephen king ,Dan Brown, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 6,968 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Was it this one Goly ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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