mackay 3,377 Posted Saturday at 13:48 Report Share Posted Saturday at 13:48 Cats amongst the pigeons now with folks stating Farage is a shyster (or worse) due to distancing himself and reform from Tommy Robinson. Many folks threatening to withdraw their support for reform. With all the coverage recently of the muslim rape gangs and Tommy being involved in highlighting it for many years for some reason he's still toxic to some people. Is it clever politics from Farage and reform ?. Or is he just another establishment stooge?. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 45,527 Posted Saturday at 13:56 Report Share Posted Saturday at 13:56 I personally think he's no different to the rest of the slime balls... everything he does will be for his own self gain,same as every cnut before him.. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.357shooter 1,225 Posted Saturday at 14:04 Report Share Posted Saturday at 14:04 now thinking farage is just playing the game and telling people what they want to hear.all this drinking of pints with the average man on the street just screams bullshit to me just like the other politicians kissing babies.he is nothing like the average working man and has no idea what it is like to try and provide for his family and has no worries paying his bills every week that keep going up. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borr 6,117 Posted Saturday at 15:10 Report Share Posted Saturday at 15:10 I've said before , he may be populist , in reality he's filled a void the conservatives left when they moved to centre. Tommy Robinson is small change , his support is minimal , if Farage is aligned publicly with him you can kiss goodbye to reform (as a major party) full stop. Musk can support Robinson as he's pretty much cancel proof. Farage on the other hand is not and has a long way to go if he's going to beat conservatives let alone labour , which are still doing well even if starmer isn't. Even if Farage is a stooge it won't change public opinion, it will push politics to the right a little. Personally I have faith in Farage, he's soon to have the support of Trump and his new team. Also if you want any chance of dealing with immigration outside of a revolution then Farage is probably your only bet . 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borr 6,117 Posted Saturday at 15:12 Report Share Posted Saturday at 15:12 1 hour ago, mackay said: Cats amongst the pigeons now with folks stating Farage is a shyster (or worse) due to distancing himself and reform from Tommy Robinson. Many folks threatening to withdraw their support for reform. With all the coverage recently of the muslim rape gangs and Tommy being involved in highlighting it for many years for some reason he's still toxic to some people. Is it clever politics from Farage and reform ?. Or is he just another establishment stooge?. What's your view Mackay? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackay 3,377 Posted Saturday at 16:26 Author Report Share Posted Saturday at 16:26 1 hour ago, Borr said: What's your view Mackay? Pretty much what you said. If Tommy Robinsons job was to highlight the rape gangs then it's job done. Whether anyone in office is held to account is another matter and if Farage the tories and public outcry can't get it done neither can he. But he as a man can't really do anymore. He should take a break and go and sit in the sun for a while. Same with Paul Thorpe. Ukip should get behind Farage, because from where I'm sitting he's all we've got and if he's a chancer we're fcuked but if we divide the troops we're also fcuked. So to my mind give Farage and reform a chance. It's the the only option, apart from civil unrest and we know that's not going to happen. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terryd 8,466 Posted Saturday at 16:43 Report Share Posted Saturday at 16:43 I know nothing about it all really. But Farage seems to talk sense. In particular I like this raising the limit before you pay tax. That would straight away put a few more quid in bank end of the month that I can straight away spend in the local economy or temu So win win Even if I was twenty quid a month better off it’s better in my pocket than giving to government to waste on complete shite that is nothing to do with me 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRUEBRIT66 1,545 Posted Saturday at 19:36 Report Share Posted Saturday at 19:36 TR has stated recently he has no interest in politics but feels reform are the only real way forward. I think Farage handled it better than Tice that slagged off every TR supporter. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 9,833 Posted Saturday at 19:55 Report Share Posted Saturday at 19:55 12 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said: TR has stated recently he has no interest in politics but feels reform are the only real way forward. I think Farage handled it better than Tice that slagged off every TR supporter. Seen a clip recently were Tice is Crabbing about outside influences with large donations to political parties determining the course of that party then changes his tune when Elon Musk considers donating a large sum of money to Reform. Farage and the rest of them and all politicians i don't trust them as far as i could throw them tbh. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,138 Posted Sunday at 09:21 Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:21 (edited) 13 hours ago, tatsblisters said: Seen a clip recently were Tice is Crabbing about outside influences with large donations to political parties determining the course of that party then changes his tune when Elon Musk considers donating a large sum of money to Reform. Farage and the rest of them and all politicians i don't trust them as far as i could throw them tbh. Lee Anderson was big on MPs not taking second jobs, until GB news gave him a second job. Farage reckons himself he took 2 million pounds of expenses (taxpayers' money) from the European parliament. In another incident he had his pay docked because he had falsely claimed expenses from the European parliament. There were other scandals as well. Tice has given millions to the tories.These donations are investments by the donors. They are given to influence government policy or cut regulations. The whole system is tied up in the political elites' favour. Populists like Farage always claim to fight battles for the little man against the elites. But they are the elites. They have no interest whatsoever in improving the lives of the general population. Why should they? They believe we are gullible peasants who will stupidly vote for them if they promise us some small benefits. But these benefits never ever come. It's always 'freedom' tomorrow and jam tomorrow. If there were a party of MPs who thought like Mick Lynch I would vote for that party. Not happening. Power and money will see to that. Edited Sunday at 09:25 by jukel123 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 9,833 Posted Sunday at 09:32 Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:32 3 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Lee Anderson was big on MPs not taking second jobs, until GB news gave him a second job. Farage reckons himself he took 2 million pounds of expenses (taxpayers' money) from the European parliament. In another incident he had his pay docked because he had falsely claimed expenses from the European parliament. There were other scandals as well. Tice has given millions to the tories.These donations are investments by the donors. They are given to influence government policy or cut regulations. The whole system is tied up in the political,elites favour. Populists like Farage always claim to fight battles for the little man against the elites. But they are the elites. They have no interest whatsoever in improving the lives of the general population. Why should they? They believe we are gullible peasants who will stupidly vote for them if they promise us some small benefits. But these benefits never ever come. It's always 'freedom' tomorrow and jam tomorrow. If there were a party of MPs who thought like Mick Lynch I would vote for that party. Not happening. Power and money will see to that. I have resigned myself to the fact no politician or political party will ever make me or mine lives any better in other words I just keep plodding on knowing full well nothing will ever change for the ordinary working class folk of this country unless there was another world war and the elites and billionaire's needed us to regain their riches and power to offer us better deals on our lives. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,978 Posted Sunday at 09:36 Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:36 It hasn’t sat well with me Reform accepting all the same traitors that were happy to work for, condone, support, vote for and be members of one of the same party’s that have been betraying our nation for years…… However, I think we have to reframe the question……don’t ask if you like reform, ask if you loath what Labour & Tory have done to our nation enough to want to destroy them ? At no other point in time has a group been better positioned to destroy Tory & Labour than Reform is now…..if we miss this opportunity it won’t come round again. Destroy the disgusting traitors first, sort out the details after…..that’s my take on it. 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,978 Posted Sunday at 09:41 Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:41 Just to add, I think Tommy Robinson is completely meaningless on a national political scale…..he is a working class bloke with a loud voice who said some good stuff but he is non league, we are talking about premier division. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,138 Posted Sunday at 09:53 Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:53 (edited) 11 minutes ago, WILF said: Just to add, I think Tommy Robinson is completely meaningless on a national political scale…..he is a working class bloke with a loud voice who said some good stuff but he is non league, we are talking about premier division. And made a lot of money in the process. He gets donations from all over the world and owns several properties in his wife's name. He's a useful idiot for Reform even though they keep him at arm's length. I thought he did a very good job in confronting the child rapists and their families outside the courts. He brands himself as a martyr. It's his living. Edited Sunday at 09:53 by jukel123 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,978 Posted Sunday at 10:00 Report Share Posted Sunday at 10:00 2 minutes ago, jukel123 said: And made a lot of money in the process. He gets donations from all over the world and owns several properties in his wife's name. He's a useful idiot for Reform even though they keep him at arm's length. I thought he did a very good job in confronting the child rapists and their families outside the courts. He brands himself as a martyr. It's his living. If he has added some fuel to the fire that sets a blaze to ordinary peoples anger at their own abuse or makes them realise that they are actually being abused then he has been useful in the journey……. Same for those disgusting moral vacuums who are all jumping from Tory to Reform….if they are useful in the demise of the Tory & Labour party’s then they have been of use….. We have to get there first…..they can be dealt with after…..that’s what has always happened historically in every major political upheaval 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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