Collie greyhound

[mC HULL 12,681]

7 minutes ago, comanche said:

Or possibly  the sort of collie that used its brain to sum up the situation .

One that didn't corner a cow , panic it through a fence and take a  bashing .

One that hung back and gave the cow room to move in a controlled manner

i’ve seen a few resort to this lol normally with a bit a yipping lol

[Aussie Whip 4,105]

3 hours ago, comanche said:

Well probably for some of the same reasons you have whippet x kelpies and cattle dog crosses. 

Crosses not to everyones' taste  but useful no doubt in the right hands and right circumstances.

By collie l guess you are thinking of Border Collie , and that's pretty much that what folk over here think of when they hear the word.

The Border of today has really only evolved over the last century. 

By the time Australia got Border Collies it already had it's own herding breeds .

Ironically these were descended from the very  British herding dogs that the Border ousted. 

Wales had half a dozen local varieties of herding dogs .There were the rough and smooth Scotch collies ,the beardies ,the sheltie and countless English regional breeds.

The border knocked nearly all into touch .Not necessarily with its stylish manner of work , but as much for it's suitability for competitive trialling . 

Apparently all today's Border Collies can be traced back 100 or so years to less than a handful of trials- winning sires .

The result of their popularity is that other,possibly more suitable herding types for lurcher breeding are hard to find  .

Ironically  this has lead to some folk using imported kelpies and cattle dogs!

Places like Australia and South America ,anywhere that saw early British settlers arrive with their farm dogs, may well be repositories of herding dog genes  long lost to their original homelands.

Can l be cheeky and ask you a question now Aussie Whip?

Dare l mention the ,,,,,,Smithfield?

A  term applied to  some of the dogs used by  drovers and livestock dealers supposedly associated with the meat market of the same name. 

Over here a contentious subject,especially should talk turn to the, l shudder to even type the words, Smithfield Lurcher

I believe you still have Smithfields in Australia    .  Do you reckon they are the real deal from old imported stock?   Or maybe thr result of a bit of fanciful spin put over any shaggy strain of old fashioned sheepdog?

All the best

 

There was a farmer near Dubbo that had Smithfield pups for sale a few years ago when I lived out near there. I don't know what the real ones are but these were wooly and looked between a cattle dog and collie and they supposedly worked stock well. He got the dogs from Tasmania. They were nowhere near as hard as working ACD's. Not many over here and are they the real deal, I don't know. A lot of people refer to strains of ACD's as Smithfield cattle dogs but these wooly ones were a lot different.

[Aussie Whip 4,105]

15 hours ago, mC HULL said:

good job it’s always dry and good going mate or them fast dogs would loose 5 gears lol 

I wouldn't say good going, the scrub over here, the saluki's feathers would get caught up, lol. We do have good beaches for chasing soldier crabs, which would suit them.

[mC HULL 12,681]

8 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

I wouldn't say good going, the scrub over here, the saluki's feathers would get caught up, lol. We do have good beaches for chasing soldier crabs, which would suit them.

here’s one no feather next to a little whip tonight guess which caught the bunny lol 

[Goly 321]

1 hour ago, mC HULL said:

here’s one no feather next to a little whip tonight guess which caught the bunny lol 

The lass? Lol

[tatsblisters 9,859]

18 hours ago, shaaark said:

I remember when hancock had is ad in exchange and mart,

£80 a pup.

That was 4 times what I paid for a bitch I owned at the time!!  Lol

Remember charging £25 for the pup's i bred out of my two dogs and gifting a couple to mate's at the time. It was also the time when the shooting news was the number one magazine paper that also had a huge impact at the time on the lurcher world. 

[comanche 3,027]

6 hours ago, Aussie Whip said:

There was a farmer near Dubbo that had Smithfield pups for sale a few years ago when I lived out near there. I don't know what the real ones are but these were wooly and looked between a cattle dog and collie and they supposedly worked stock well. He got the dogs from Tasmania. They were nowhere near as hard as working ACD's. Not many over here and are they the real deal, I don't know. A lot of people refer to strains of ACD's as Smithfield cattle dogs but these wooly ones were a lot different.

Dead interesting about the title  Smithfield being applied to some ACDs  

It's as if the function of the dog as much as the origin or  breeding lends it the title .

Over here , 18th Century writers and modern doggy historians would have the Smithfield as a shaggy drovers' dog of clearly defined type  .

Thanks to your post l looked up Tasmanian Smithfields  .They look the the part well enough to satisfy the romantics . Though to be honest they look much like any one of the   generic hairy  dogs common in Britain pre the border collie take-over.

Thanks again AW!

 

  

[comanche 3,027]

1 hour ago, tatsblisters said:

Remember charging £25 for the pup's i bred out of my two dogs and gifting a couple to mate's at the time. It was also the time when the shooting news was the number one magazine paper that also had a huge impact at the time on the lurcher world. 

They were the days

I bred a couple of litters of whippet×collies  . Never even got as far as posting the advert to the Shooting News but thanks to its influence  I could've sold the puppies several times over just by word of mouth.

Inevitably most went to people l knew ;  no money changing hands ,just the promise of a good home .

I still am a shxt businessman

[tinytiger 840]

2 hours ago, comanche said:

Dead interesting about the title  Smithfield being applied to some ACDs  

It's as if the function of the dog as much as the origin or  breeding lends it the title .

Over here , 18th Century writers and modern doggy historians would have the Smithfield as a shaggy drovers' dog of clearly defined type  .

Thanks to your post l looked up Tasmanian Smithfields  .They look the the part well enough to satisfy the romantics . Though to be honest they look much like any one of the   generic hairy  dogs common in Britain pre the border collie take-over.

Thanks again AW!

 

  

I think there  is  a  similar  breed  in  patagonia or (Paraguay maybe).

[comanche 3,027]

1 hour ago, tinytiger said:

I think there  is  a  similar  breed  in  patagonia or (Paraguay maybe).

Yes.  Welsh settlers are often  given credit for introducing it , but   the English and Spanish  settlers were the ones initially involved in Patagonian  sheep farming so their dogs possibly played a bigger part in the breed's creation. 

[mC HULL 12,681]

4 hours ago, comanche said:

Dead interesting about the title  Smithfield being applied to some ACDs  

It's as if the function of the dog as much as the origin or  breeding lends it the title .

Over here , 18th Century writers and modern doggy historians would have the Smithfield as a shaggy drovers' dog of clearly defined type  .

Thanks to your post l looked up Tasmanian Smithfields  .They look the the part well enough to satisfy the romantics . Though to be honest they look much like any one of the   generic hairy  dogs common in Britain pre the border collie take-over.

Thanks again AW!

 

  

looks like a fat yorkie  lol 

[Black neck 16,007]

1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

looks like a fat yorkie  lol 

It's a mountain saluki ( igneous whineypants)

[Aussie Whip 4,105]

4 hours ago, comanche said:

the title  Smithfield being applied to some ACDs

There are whiskery cattle dogs here that look like ACDs, some with fairly long wirey hair that some people call Smithfields, I'm not sure where the coat came from.

[shaaark 10,825]

5 hours ago, comanche said:

Dead interesting about the title  Smithfield being applied to some ACDs  

It's as if the function of the dog as much as the origin or  breeding lends it the title .

Over here , 18th Century writers and modern doggy historians would have the Smithfield as a shaggy drovers' dog of clearly defined type  .

Thanks to your post l looked up Tasmanian Smithfields  .They look the the part well enough to satisfy the romantics . Though to be honest they look much like any one of the   generic hairy  dogs common in Britain pre the border collie take-over.

Thanks again AW!

 

  

 

35 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

There are whiskery cattle dogs here that look like ACDs, some with fairly long wirey hair that some people call Smithfields, I'm not sure where the coat came from.

Can't do all that link caper, but just had a Google and came up with these, lads.

Don't know if you can get the link or whatever to them.

 

[dai dogs 1,493]

Iv been thinking of using a ACD  stud on one of my Greyhound bitches ( first blood yesterday) iv got a choice of many good working border collie studs but know little about ACD only what iv seen on internet anyone compare the two from experience