Collie greyhound

[tatsblisters 9,837]

On 27/12/2024 at 17:53, poxon said:

My favourite x is the collie Lurcher x beddy Lurcher it seems to gel so well together for a bit of a all round hunter type of dog I’ve always thought it’s a shame that people when they want either a collie x or beddy x they always want a f1 or a 1/4 bred genuine bred 

Remember once talking to a young lad think it was Chatsworth show in the 80s and he was asking me how the brindle and white bitch was bred in my profile pic after I had been in the obedience class with her. When I told him she was a mix of collie grey beddy grey he said that was risky breeding that cross as he had been influenced by Plummers books and how he referred to lurcher to lurcher bred dogs as bitzas he carried on saying breeding that cross you could get pup's that were just like a Bedlington and collie. I replied that's impossible if you have greyhound on each side of the breeding though i did get some variation when I bred her to my other dog in the profile pic of the same breeding but unrelated with one small bitch only making 21tt and a big smooth haired dog in the litter making 26 though all made decent hardy types. 

[OldPhil 5,799]

 

17 hours ago, tatsblisters said:

Remember once talking to a young lad think it was Chatsworth show in the 80s and he was asking me how the brindle and white bitch was bred in my profile pic after I had been in the obedience class with her. When I told him she was a mix of collie grey beddy grey he said that was risky breeding that cross as he had been influenced by Plummers books and how he referred to lurcher to lurcher bred dogs as bitzas he carried on saying breeding that cross you could get pup's that were just like a Bedlington and collie. I replied that's impossible if you have greyhound on each side of the breeding though i did get some variation when I bred her to my other dog in the profile pic of the same breeding but unrelated with one small bitch only making 21tt and a big smooth haired dog in the litter making 26 though all made decent hardy types. 

We cross various 'types' to improve upon the 'Type',..

Nearly all F1 Hybrids are the start, and rarely the end product,...it takes time, to produce the genuine article.

I did tell the dreaming scholar this fact,. but,... it went straight over his silly fecking head

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by OldPhil

[Black neck 16,006]

1 hour ago, OldPhil said:

We cross various 'types' to improve upon the 'Type',..

Nearly all F1 Hybrids are the start, and rarely the end product,...it takes time, to produce the genuine article.

I did tell the dreaming scholar this fact,. but,... it went straight over his silly fecking head

Are u saying he wasn't entirely correct 

[poxon 5,741]

2 hours ago, OldPhil said:

We cross various 'types' to improve upon the 'Type',..

Nearly all F1 Hybrids are the start, and rarely the end product,...it takes time, to produce the genuine article.

I did tell the dreaming scholar this fact,. but,... it went straight over his silly fecking head

I 100% agree with you here Phil 

[Bush Rummager 4,668]

3 hours ago, tatsblisters said:

Remember once talking to a young lad think it was Chatsworth show in the 80s and he was asking me how the brindle and white bitch was bred in my profile pic after I had been in the obedience class with her. When I told him she was a mix of collie grey beddy grey he said that was risky breeding that cross as he had been influenced by Plummers books and how he referred to lurcher to lurcher bred dogs as bitzas he carried on saying breeding that cross you could get pup's that were just like a Bedlington and collie. I replied that's impossible if you have greyhound on each side of the breeding though i did get some variation when I bred her to my other dog in the profile pic of the same breeding but unrelated with one small bitch only making 21tt and a big smooth haired dog in the litter making 26 though all made decent hardy types. 

Ahhh... that was probably me mate!!

I very sorry!! Lol..

[tatsblisters 9,837]

7 hours ago, Bush Rummager said:

Ahhh... that was probably me mate!!

I very sorry!! Lol..

No worries mate there was a lot took in by his books regarding lurchers and their breeding. I remember the second litter i bred out of the two dogs in my profile pic during the time I was on strike as the previous litter had produced some handy lurchers and a lad who had booked one gave me back word as he said he was going to go to Hancock for a lurcher pup instead and pay more than triple that i was charging for a pup out of two honest pot filling lurchers that really helped me and my young family through the winter of that strike. 

[Leo Sayer 2,646]

1 hour ago, tatsblisters said:

No worries mate there was a lot took in by his books regarding lurchers and their breeding. I remember the second litter i bred out of the two dogs in my profile pic during the time I was on strike as the previous litter had produced some handy lurchers and a lad who had booked one gave me back word as he said he was going to go to Hancock for a lurcher pup instead and pay more than triple that i was charging for a pup out of two honest pot filling lurchers that really helped me and my young family through the winter of that strike. 

Ran out of likes 

[Leo Sayer 2,646]

8 hours ago, Bush Rummager said:

Ahhh... that was probably me mate!!

I very sorry!! Lol..

Also ran out of pmsl smiley faces 

[Black neck 16,006]

1 hour ago, tatsblisters said:

No worries mate there was a lot took in by his books regarding lurchers and their breeding. I remember the second litter i bred out of the two dogs in my profile pic during the time I was on strike as the previous litter had produced some handy lurchers and a lad who had booked one gave me back word as he said he was going to go to Hancock for a lurcher pup instead and pay more than triple that i was charging for a pup out of two honest pot filling lurchers that really helped me and my young family through the winter of that strike. 

At a show when I was about 12 some older blokes walked up wi some big rough lurchers and I asked the breeding, just lurcher x lurchers they said I walked off thinking well they must be shit

[Aussie Whip 4,103]

Not knocking them but why use a collie? You rarely see or hear about collie type lurchers in Oz, a fair few whippet/kelpies and some cattle/greys. For fast game it's whippets, stags and greys or a combination of these, rarely salukis or deerhounds.

[low plains drifter 10,574]

1 hour ago, Black neck said:

At a show when I was about 12 some older blokes walked up wi some big rough lurchers and I asked the breeding, just lurcher x lurchers they said I walked off thinking well they must be shit

Derelicts 

[mC HULL 12,638]

35 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

Not knocking them but why use a collie? You rarely see or hear about collie type lurchers in Oz, a fair few whippet/kelpies and some cattle/greys. For fast game it's whippets, stags and greys or a combination of these, rarely salukis or deerhounds.

good job it’s always dry and good going mate or them fast dogs would loose 5 gears lol 

[Goly 282]

Merles, don't like em. Most have white eyes, which ain't natural in any beast, tame or wild, moonpies I call em.

[mC HULL 12,638]

16 hours ago, tatsblisters said:

Remember once talking to a young lad think it was Chatsworth show in the 80s and he was asking me how the brindle and white bitch was bred in my profile pic after I had been in the obedience class with her. When I told him she was a mix of collie grey beddy grey he said that was risky breeding that cross as he had been influenced by Plummers books and how he referred to lurcher to lurcher bred dogs as bitzas he carried on saying breeding that cross you could get pup's that were just like a Bedlington and collie. I replied that's impossible if you have greyhound on each side of the breeding though i did get some variation when I bred her to my other dog in the profile pic of the same breeding but unrelated with one small bitch only making 21tt and a big smooth haired dog in the litter making 26 though all made decent hardy types. 

i would kind of agree mate lol 

bitza i’d call them scatterbred lol 

i’ll break it down for @mackem

you have a quality female plant to replicate it do you 

A . find a close relative with simailar quality’s 

b. get a load a male pollen from ten different males and throw it all in the room and hope for the best lol 

Edited December 29, 2024 by mC HULL

[tatsblisters 9,837]

30 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

i would kind of agree mate lol 

bitza i’d call them scatterbred lol 

i’ll break it down for @mackem

you have a quality female plant to replicate it do you 

A . find a close relative with simailar quality’s 

b. get a load a male pollen from ten different males and throw it all in the room and hope for the best lol 

Got to agree with you on line breeding is the way to go. The lad at the show was more or less going on what plummer had wrote and going on about Hancock bred collie lurchers would be a safer bet. The type i kept i then outcrossed them to saluki greyhounds that produced a few handy dogs for roe deer and the odd fallow as well as killing a few hare's .