Collie greyhound

[TOMO 26,458]

7 minutes ago, comanche said:

Could be an easy number. I could go home after reading  the first couple of pages where l touch upon the connection between  the sagacity of the the old drovers' curs and obscure Assyrian poetry

 Nobody would notice because the three people who had turned up would all be asleep by then.

3.....optimistic....

[comanche 3,041]

21 minutes ago, TOMO said:

3.....optimistic....

I can dream. Anyway l was including the cleaning lady

Is it wrong to hope that one day l could earn enough from writing to buy a second coffee mug?

Edited December 8, 2024 by comanche

[dai dogs 1,534]

Out of all the crosses iv owned the collie cross seems to be the one that brings a tear to the eyes when the times up 

[terryd 8,539]

They are characters for sure

 

after the old fella with a bit of bull I thought she would be laid back and bit more reserved working. But if any thing she probably as keen

 

Edited December 18, 2024 by terryd

[dai dogs 1,534]

On 08/12/2024 at 10:23, Moonlighter123 said:

How are those 2 bred? 

Greyhounds I haven’t looked into the linage yet 

[Neal 1,873]

On 08/12/2024 at 12:55, mark williams said:

 Collie lurcher - clever is not the word for these dogs , I` d have one as a gun dog any day of the week, however a German short haired pointer is a marvelous airgun hunters dog, a total all rounder of a dog , bar , coursing mind. I` ve seen collie lurchers turn their nose up at certain situations in coursing because they knew what to expect from the run they were about to take on they are annoyingly clever dogs at times, I have seen this many times they will actually refuse the chase , I was once great friends with some traveller lads, boy they new their lurcher dogs, the best lurcher I ever owned was a ferocious little fella called Brett, a cross between a Whippet, , Jack Russell, bitch, he was like jaws out of water.

 heres my GSP working lads, he lives to work he adores it he's nearly 11yrs old now.

Interesting points. I know this thread is about collie x greyhounds, but the reason a lot of people hark back to them is the myth/legend (?) of them as the original poachers' dog. I read somewhere recently that although some poachers' dogs were collie blooded, they were just as likely to use a pure curly coated retriever.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Neal

[tatsblisters 10,084]

21 minutes ago, Neal said:

Interesting points. I know this thread is about collie x greyhounds, but the reason a lot of people hark back to them is the myth/legend (?) of them as the original poachers' dog. I read somewhere recently that although some poachers' dogs were collie blooded, they were just as likely to use a pure curly coated retriever.

I can only speak of my area South York's and more than likely Yorkshire but i would have thought the main pre war lurchers which would have been rare i would think would have been more than likely terrier cross greyhound's or whippets. The greyhound dam to the brindle bitch in my pics was also bred to a leggy bedlington dog that produced some decent dog's with a good catch rate on rabbit's even local. Though even out of the two i would prefer to take my chance on a mix of both of them after having had lurchers in the past of this mix and was more than happy with them.

[mC HULL 13,134]

1 hour ago, tatsblisters said:

I can only speak of my area South York's and more than likely Yorkshire but i would have thought the main pre war lurchers which would have been rare i would think would have been more than likely terrier cross greyhound's or whippets. The greyhound dam to the brindle bitch in my pics was also bred to a leggy bedlington dog that produced some decent dog's with a good catch rate on rabbit's even local. Though even out of the two i would prefer to take my chance on a mix of both of them after having had lurchers in the past of this mix and was more than happy with them.

earlier on this way plenty had whippet grey mongrels street runners but a lot run coursing greyhounds 

[poxon 5,751]

6 hours ago, tatsblisters said:

I can only speak of my area South York's and more than likely Yorkshire but i would have thought the main pre war lurchers which would have been rare i would think would have been more than likely terrier cross greyhound's or whippets. The greyhound dam to the brindle bitch in my pics was also bred to a leggy bedlington dog that produced some decent dog's with a good catch rate on rabbit's even local. Though even out of the two i would prefer to take my chance on a mix of both of them after having had lurchers in the past of this mix and was more than happy with them.

My favourite x is the collie Lurcher x beddy Lurcher it seems to gel so well together for a bit of a all round hunter type of dog I’ve always thought it’s a shame that people when they want either a collie x or beddy x they always want a f1 or a 1/4 bred genuine bred 

[OldPhil 5,802]

17 hours ago, poxon said:

My favourite x is the collie Lurcher x beddy Lurcher it seems to gel so well together for a bit of a all round hunter type of dog I’ve always thought it’s a shame that people when they want either a collie x or beddy x they always want a f1 or a 1/4 bred genuine bred 

That is a real useful hybrid,.. and if you are lucky,.. you can get the best of both worlds..

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by OldPhil

[comanche 3,041]

11 hours ago, Neal said:

Interesting points. I know this thread is about collie x greyhounds, but the reason a lot of people hark back to them is the myth/legend (?) of them as the original poachers' dog. I read somewhere recently that although some poachers' dogs were collie blooded, they were just as likely to use a pure curly coated retriever.

I think the idea of old time poachers habitually using fast dogs is overblown .    

Medieval Laws almost totally forbade the  keeping of all but tiny  dogs anywhere near Hunting preserves.

Sheepdogs were permitted on practical grounds but were supposed to have toes cut off to reduce their chances of bothering the local Game .

Even if a  peasant could spare food to feed a decent-sized dog they would've  fallen under intense surveillance from the Authorities and  from fellow villagers ,who were held legally responsible  for each others' behaviour.

The rich ,the local Lords   needed capable  hunting  dogs however.

One reason being that they were from time to time expected  to send game to the King's table . They avoided the toe-cutting rule by paying a fine ,basically a Tax for owning a  dog with all its  digits.   

It does , perhaps over-romantically, rather conjure up the image of some poor crippled sheepdog  bitch desperately trying to outrun a pack of  fully functional and randy greyhounds belonging the Lord of the Manor 

So whether myth or reality the sheepdog x running dog trope goes back a long way.

Fast forward  ;  l bet most poaching dogs were whatever was available locally ;landrace terriers ,mongrel,   gundogs , and probably unlikely  fancy breeds. Cheap ,available and trainable in the art of sneakyness being  important . Nothing that would attract attention in a society when everyone  knew their neighbours and recognised even each others' chickens. 

Anyway until the 1800s  there  weren't many defined "breeds" of dog  just local types or maybe dogs of a certain sort bred in a rich man's  kennel 

These sheepdogs clearly  weren't  bred to any standard by the looks of ; other than work!

 

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2024 by comanche

[shaaark 10,882]

12 hours ago, Neal said:

Interesting points. I know this thread is about collie x greyhounds, but the reason a lot of people hark back to them is the myth/legend (?) of them as the original poachers' dog. I read somewhere recently that although some poachers' dogs were collie blooded, they were just as likely to use a pure curly coated retriever.

Most of the history I've researched myself, does actually suggest terrier and gundog blood, as much, if not more, than collie/sheepdog blood.

Who really knows, and does it really matter, as a lot of the lurchers I knew, worked, saw  as a youngster, no-one 'really' knew how they were bred!!  But many of them were cracking workers, regardless.

Edited December 27, 2024 by shaaark

[mark williams 7,558]

Its a long time ago now but if I remember correctly the traveller lads always wanted collie lurcher 1st cross- outstanding dogs they were, very clever indeed.-best wishes buddy.

[low plains drifter 10,676]

On 08/12/2024 at 21:33, TOMO said:

Don't forget your slippers for the photo

Brothel creepers 

[Neal 1,873]

On 08/12/2024 at 20:39, comanche said:

Yeh , time might not be on my side but l'm fighting the urge to become one of them backyard breeders

 

I don't  actually need a sheepdog for my mini flock ,but. Well er l drove to "somewhere" ( l'm still not sure l could find it again) in Wales   on the strength of a photograph     ,  a good feeling and those damn voices in my head and came home with this funny thing.

An old fashioned Welsh sheepdog. A very different  animal from a modern collie. 

Do l do it?  Phil talk me out of it!

Comanche, have you read "Taught By Dogs: working, farm and family" by Colin Whittemore? My wife bought it for me for Christmas and there's a chapter called "Father's Sheepdogs" which is mainly about Welsh Sheepdogs. I've not read it yet but it's the first one in my Xmas present book pile that I'll be reading when I've finished my Philip Larkin novel: I'm so cultured!