Farmers are not happy

[dai dogs 1,400]

What’s your thoughts on the latest inheritance tax ?

[tank34 2,330]

2 hours ago, dai dogs said:

What’s your thoughts on the latest inheritance tax ?

It's to cripple  family farms so thay sell , it be big corporation company will buy up turn into wind an solar farms , rewilding , the government don't want farming as we know it , get ready for plant based crap an bug burgers 

[Chid 6,461]

Just now, tank34 said:

It's to cripple  family farms so thay sell , it be big corporation company will buy up turn into wind an solar farms , rewilding , the government don't want farming as we know it , get ready for plant based crap an bug burgers 

Or it'll just encourage more small holdings? Plenty of farms over here that wouldn't be valued at a million so wouldn't be paying no inheritance tax 

[Born Hunter 17,751]

I find it a little bit hard to have sympathy with the farmers. Plenty seem to be doing alright around here.

However, this will not be good for the countryside. It’ll end up transitioning farming into the hands of big agricultural organisations. So this isn’t about the farmers for me, it’s about the British countryside and maintaining some semblance of my culture.

[WILF 46,534]

4 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

I find it a little bit hard to have sympathy with the farmers. Plenty seem to be doing alright around here.

However, this will not be good for the countryside. It’ll end up transitioning farming into the hands of big agricultural organisations. So this isn’t about the farmers for me, it’s about the British countryside and maintaining some semblance of my culture.

You understand the importance of the big estates in the U.K. when you come to a place like I live.

In the U.K. a small farm is about 600 acres, on that they may have a small shoot or border a bigger managed estate.

In my part of ireland they got rid of most of the great houses after independence, burnt them down or left them to ruin.

Estates were partitioned up into small “family” farms, a big farm here is 60-100 acres and that may be spread out over miles with lots of other peoples fields all interwoven chess board style in between.

No shoots or managed estates because it would be impossible, one field may be surrounded by 4 other fields each with a different owner and it’s only 5-10 acres anyway. 
Then you add in a blind observance of EU wildlife legislation and basically everything from a crow to a rook to a pigeon is protected unless you have completed some long, arduous process of paperwork that may take weeks of months.

For wildlife, it’s a disaster……there just isn’t the range of different mammals and birds, hardly any pheasants, a couple of species of deer that are rarely spotted in the massive blocks of conifer plantations so beloved of EU climate policy which hold no other life on the forest floor.

No rabbits, the odd Hare but millions of crows, corvids, no pigeons where I live because there is no arable I’m assuming.

No geese, a few ducks here and there on drain splashes in bog land, too many people own the foreshores of big lakes to be sure or even know who to ask for a bit of shooting…..it’s all too complicated 

I was talking to a bloke who was some type of academic working with National Parks & Wildlife Service here, he told me they had a project to preserve some endangered bird or the other by Lough Key that was being wiped out by crows, mink, marten etc……they tried for 3 years with the NPWS own people with no result and then had to bring in half a dozen keepers from the U.K. and it was sorted in 12 months.

I used to be out shooting or at something a few times a week in the U.K., dogs, beating, shooting or whatever and everywhere I went was rich in diversity of wildlife, amazing, wonderful places be that urban or rural.

Since I have lived here I have probably lifted my gun 6 times in 10 years to live quarry, I either can’t shoot it or won’t shoot it because there isn’t enough of it to make it ethical to shoot.

We just don’t fully understand the importance of how the U.K. countryside is set up, the generational family bonds, the personal relationships, being part of the wider local community that makes it work so wonderfully.

All that will be gone with big corporate entity’s which won’t want the exposure or the risk of wildlife management the way we have always done it.

Edited Sunday at 12:11 by WILF

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,615]

7 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

I find it a little bit hard to have sympathy with the farmers. Plenty seem to be doing alright around here.

However, this will not be good for the countryside. It’ll end up transitioning farming into the hands of big agricultural organisations. So this isn’t about the farmers for me, it’s about the British countryside and maintaining some semblance of my culture.

Doing alright now 

my mate has lived in his farm all his life, it’s a mixed bag of barley and beasts , there’s been people with his name there for nearly 400 years , no landed gentry, just farm , passed to oldest son , to oldest son barring the wars where in both . 
 

when it comes his time , he’ll have to stump up nearly a half million mortgage before he’s even opened a gate . 

[fred90 3,198]

it's not as straightforward as it looks, the million pound exemption can be claimed individually, to cut it short if done properly you can have a valuation of £3,million before any tax, then it's 20% instead of 40%,no sympathy for greedy b*****ds anyway, by the way the figures are chancellors own words this morning. 

[WILF 46,534]

1 hour ago, fred90 said:

it's not as straightforward as it looks, the million pound exemption can be claimed individually, to cut it short if done properly you can have a valuation of £3,million before any tax, then it's 20% instead of 40%,no sympathy for greedy b*****ds anyway, by the way the figures are chancellors own words this morning. 

When it’s all housing estates they won’t need your sympathy wether you have it or not. 

[mackay 3,308]

3 hours ago, fred90 said:

it's not as straightforward as it looks, the million pound exemption can be claimed individually, to cut it short if done properly you can have a valuation of £3,million before any tax, then it's 20% instead of 40%,no sympathy for greedy b*****ds anyway, by the way the figures are chancellors own words this morning. 

This is why as a people we are fcuked.

[Qbgrey 4,062]

It not just farmers that get screwed, general public get hammered bad with inheritance tax. Farmers got exemptions under class q to convert barns to residential buildings to sell or rent , so now the are classed as non agricultural so get taxed on it. I’m not clued up on the payments they get but this year they get £400 per acre to plant wild flower/ game over so happy days for shoots.

[lurcherman 887 13,077]

Feck em miserable cnuts 

[forest of dean redneck 11,524]

The farmers are getting screwed over I know they always plead poverty but the government seem hell bent on this country importing food instead of producing it ? 
the farmers should band together rent a shop or start going to the markets and selling their produce on a cash only basis and then stick their fingers up at the government .!!

[tatsblisters 9,404]

38 minutes ago, forest of dean redneck said:

The farmers are getting screwed over I know they always plead poverty but the government seem hell bent on this country importing food instead of producing it ? 
the farmers should band together rent a shop or start going to the markets and selling their produce on a cash only basis and then stick their fingers up at the government .!!

Don't think they could do it for long before the stazi government funded tax inspectors would be on their case though especially under this labour lot.

[WILF 46,534]

4 hours ago, forest of dean redneck said:

The farmers are getting screwed over I know they always plead poverty but the government seem hell bent on this country importing food instead of producing it ? 
the farmers should band together rent a shop or start going to the markets and selling their produce on a cash only basis and then stick their fingers up at the government .!!

No one would buy it mate, food is so heavily subsidised that they couldn’t compete in the volume they need.

All the government would have to do is terminate their subsidy and that would be the end of them.

It all sounds a bit dystopian and conspiracy theory but the government really do own our food supply via making it cheap and taxing the f**k out of us so we can’t afford to pay the real price.

Take a chicken, the real price of a chicken dead and ready to roast is about £12 to £18……what is in the store ? £6 ? 
 

 

[chartpolski 23,036]

Well, Labour has pissed off the pensioners, the farmers and now the students !

If they keep this up, who is going to vote for them next time ?

Just the far left lunatics and immigrants and some who are so stupid like some up here who say “ me da and me granda voted Labour so I will aswell”……

Cheers.