Picking Runs

[bird 9,889]

3 hours ago, lurchers said:

I’ve seen a few jack as they have been run to death and give up.Just remember dogs are like athletes can’t give 100% all the time weather it’s down to injuries or just a idiots not letting them have a rest.But once they give up they never come back from it

True,yeh give few runs, let them get the tongue  back in, just keep eye on the dog if drop on lot rabbits in field,  just pace your self , the bottom line there not  fookin machines, there skin/bone. If you want massive bag get a gun. Both my 1xs had good stamina and pace, old Bryn knock 30 over but at 25 I knew  was not far away  Buck had better stamina, he knock 40 if  really pushed  him, and was not bred for rabbits, makes   it more impressive  in my mind,  fox /deer   hecwas bred for. But we knock  few rabbits over keep him fit.

[bird 9,889]

8 minutes ago, Allan P said:

Let me add a bit of context. The dog is worked off the slip in darkness on ground which isn’t flat open fields more scrub land and patchy ferns with bits of open land between. The dog has to be pretty quick off the mark to catch hence no slip, sometimes if the rabbit is close to scrub she won’t bother but will be still on the lookout for a run. Probably not the most traditional way of lamping but it’s good craic the bags aren’t big but I don’t really care. 

That's OK mate ,as long as you don't get blank, and get 1/2 dozen your happy dogs happy.i tell you what though, I might pay you do take  her to different  ground, where it more open ground, with longer slip. Don't do daft long slips walk up  close get  the dog close, I found once you lot catches  like that, drop back bit give longer slip, in the dogs mind he think catch any and that what you want.i was told 35 years ago, always put the dog  back in the kennel at night a winner, and tried to do that with all lurchers over the years  as lamping dogs.

[Aussie Whip 4,097]

I think it is intelligence and it's not. It's intelligent not to run uncatchable game but it's not intelligent as a lot of hunters will put a bullet in their head for it. Could be a reason running dogs are often not the brightest, they have been selected for making dumb runs.

[Borr 5,991]

1 minute ago, Aussie Whip said:

I think it is intelligence and it's not. It's intelligent not to run uncatchable game but it's not intelligent as a lot of hunters will put a bullet in their head for it. Could be a reason running dogs are often not the brightest, they have been selected for making dumb runs.

High prey drive often pressurised the prey into making a mistake or thinking they're safe in cover when a dog smashes straight in. 

[Aussie Whip 4,097]

1 minute ago, Borr said:

High prey drive often pressurised the prey into making a mistake or thinking they're safe in cover when a dog smashes straight in. 

But is that intelligence or just high prey drive?

[Allan P 1,150]

High prey drive equals high vet bills and lengthy time out of action. 

Edited September 30 by Allan P

[Aussie Whip 4,097]

5 minutes ago, Allan P said:

High prey drive equals high vet bills and lengthy time out of action. 

The holy grail of running dogs might be to get the high prey drive plus the intelligence to avoid severe injury. Most of mine have been highly driven, some were lucky, some not.

[chartpolski 23,489]

If you are working dogs to any degree you have to factor in injuries and vet bills. It’s sadly part of the game.

If someone is happy with a dog that picks it’s runs, that’s fine, but it wouldn’t be for me, we all have different expectations, I just expect my dogs to try on anything they are slipped on.

Cheers.

[mC HULL 12,478]

8 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

The holy grail of running dogs might be to get the high prey drive plus the intelligence to avoid severe injury. Most of mine have been highly driven, some were lucky, some not.

if it had any f***ing brains it would work out how to catch the hard ones not which ones to run lol 

 

[Aussie Whip 4,097]

3 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

if it had any f***ing brains it would work out how to catch the hard ones not which ones to run lol 

 

That would come down to experience not so much intelligence.

[mC HULL 12,478]

6 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

That would come down to experience not so much intelligence.

experience is intelligence but you need drive to gain the experience standing there with your hands in your pockets ain’t a great start lol

Edited September 30 by mC HULL

[Moochersways 85]

If your happy with how the dog performs and with how many your catching then what anyone else thinks is irrelevant really if it only runs what it thinks it can catch and your happy with that then great, I like a dog that will run anything I slip it on the amount of bunnies that end up being turned off a hedge or cover and end up in the bag that you'd of thought would just hop to safety, likewise when they do make it to cover a lot of the time iv had a dog follow them in hedges and catch them where they've just sat in the hedge or rough

[Aussie Whip 4,097]

1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

experience is intelligence

Different thing but I agree they do need the drive. You can get some dumb humans that excel at their jobs because of experience but are halfwits in normal life.

[Moochersways 85]

27 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

The holy grail of running dogs might be to get the high prey drive plus the intelligence to avoid severe injury. Most of mine have been highly driven, some were lucky, some not.

When a dog has the blinkers on it ain't looking out for obstacles it's never a case of if it happens more when 

[Aussie Whip 4,097]

1 minute ago, Moochersways said:

When a dog has the blinkers on it ain't looking out for obstacles it's never a case of if it happens more when 

I've had dogs with insane drive but they did learn through their injuries, others with that drive never got the chance.