Disturbing inaccuracies that the Police have endorsed.

[inan 841]

Here is an article written by an anti ,with the usual falsehoods in it,,which coursing folk will readily indentify,what disturbs me is that the Police should lend there weight to it ,to get their civil policing off the ground.Inan.

 

http://www.norfolk.police.uk/article.cfm?a...6&bctrail=0

[Guest SJM]

Hare coursers often travel in convoy with transit vans at the front and rear containing minders and the cars in between containing the employers

 

Oooh that would be nice me very own minder

I wonder who gets paid to think some of these stories up

 

As usual with the media theres a pinch of truth mixed with a liberal helping of lies.

 

"Hare coursing, coming to a field near you" yes dont approach the nasty cruel people or you might get your head bashed in or your farm burnt to the ground just run off like a good little twat and ring the police let them deal with it instead and together we will make the countryside a safe place for all the little fluffy animals

[Tommy 9]

What a Load of BOLLOCKS :hmm:

 

 

It is often the case that when a hare coursing event takes place in an area, an array of other crimes takes place around the same time. Knowing that illegal hare coursing is taking place in an area can cause real worry and distress to the local community.

 

WHO DREAMS UP THESE IDEA'S :no:

 

ATB TOMMY ;)

[Guest joe ox]

There is nothing new in that article what I have not read before apart from the "minders" thing. The police have been talking about poaching like that for as long as I can remember! Half of the people who ran or used dogs legally used to agree with them up to a point instead of trying to eduacate people which was a BIG MISTAKE because ultimately the ban was passed and now everybody is in the same boat as a poacher used to be. It wasnt the poachers who allowed themselfs to be followed around and photographed by antis was it!

Edited February 8, 2008 by joe ox

[Tommy 9]

It wasnt the poachers who allowed themselfs to be followed around and photographed by antis was it!

 

What do you mean Joe ?? Do you mean the people like the greyhound coursing clubs ??

 

ATB TOMMY :thumbs:

[Guest joe ox]

When the ban came in the word going round was, the police have been told to spend no money and use no resources to enforce the ban. I thought to myself if anybody believes that they must be stupid! Even if that was the case it would of been a tactic to let the dust settle.

[Simoman 110]

The sad thing is Joe Public reads it and takes it as gospel.................

 

"Hares run in a large circle". Does that mean successful coursing dogs have shorter legs on one side to assist cornering????

[Guest Top Chalker]

It was the big organised events that brought coursing to the top of the pile , Waterloo Cup etc , and of course some of the gangs of travlers , mob handed , ask any farmer in lincoln ..........not all travlers , just the idiot ones , iv seen them driving the land following the course ........no wonder its f****d .........

[inan 841]

There is nothing new in that article what I have not read before apart from the "minders" thing. The police have been talking about poaching like that for as long as I can remember! Half of the people who ran or used dogs legally used to agree with them up to a point instead of trying to eduacate people which was a BIG MISTAKE because ultimately the ban was passed and now everybody is in the same boat as a poacher used to be. It wasnt the poachers who allowed themselfs to be followed around and photographed by antis was it!

It was coursing clubs that ran legally that decided tp pursue an open policy ,publicising dates and putting articles in the Cm,and releasing videos,eg "This Is Coursing ",to try and educate people about the sport.I don,t recall any poachers doing that.as to your assertion that half the people that ran or used dogs legally,used to agree with them up to a point.What is the basis for your statement? Have you evedence of this ? Or are you just making a bald statement that is unsubstantiated? As to legal coursing people "allowing themselves to be followed around ,and photographed" Just how would you prevent that exactly? Illegal coursing has helped to put the final nail in the coursing coffin ,imo.In many cases Farmers that were ,if not pro coursing ,became decidedly anti,when confronted by gangs of men in 4x4s on their land ,that is the unpalatable truth,and I speak from experience ,having belonged to coursing clubs for a good few years,,I know first hand of ground we have lost because of illegal coursers,summertime numptys ,and the "we ran through the foot and mouth brigade"Your statement is incorrect Joe,and as you told me yourself you have done little coursing on the Fens ,where the bulk of the problem exists.Im no whiter than white as a youngster I did my share of running early in the morning ,on the Plain,Nerwmarket ,6 mile bottom etc,but for you to suggest that legal coursers aided the antis in bringing in a ban is ludicrous.When I talk about illegal coursers,Im not referring to the one or two lads that might slip out for a run on a Sunday morning or whatever,to some extent a lot of Farmers have tolerated these,I refer to mobhanded crowds .What accomodations people have made with Farmers that enable them to still do a spot of "rabbiting",are entirely their own business,,Im not condemning any one ,just challenging your statement.Icould give you the names of four farmers in the Lincs Cambs and Suffolk areas,that until very recently were still up for a spot of retreiving of hares,owing to their encounters with illegal s those doors are now closed,and even if the ban were overturned ,it would be extremely difficult to obtain running permission on their land,that is entirely due to the behaviour of a small section of lurchermen.,running illegally.IT WASNT THE LEGAL COURSING PEOPLE THAT HELPED THE ANTIS GET THE BAN THROUGH FAR FROM IT!

By the way Joe we never hear about your days out with your dogs ,preban or otherwise,why is that? You seem to come out of the woodwork ,ever ready to supply a sarcastic comment ,that is invariably negative,yet I cant recall you ever posting anything about your own exploits and dog days out,Why not get those fingers busy and share some of your experiences with us? The reason I put that post up was not because there was anything particularly new about the false assertions in it ,but that it was under a heading endorsed by the Norfolk Constabulary,as I thought I had pointed out.Inan.

[Crow 1]

That article is a few years old now, and yes it is full of inaccuracies. In fact, it had more inaccuracies relating to the Hunting Act and there was a thread on it at the time because I started it (being one of my local forces and all that ). I'm proud to say that I at least got the bit about it being illegal to hunt all mammals with dogs taken out, along with a few other pieces of bullshit. However, I couldn't get them to budge on the rest!

[Guest joe ox]

Inan, My exploits with my dogs are my own affair thankyou very much I have no desire to advertise what I do to every anti or for that matter dog thief in the country. Dog sports were banned predominantly because of legal fox hunting with hounds and legal daytime hare coursing not because of illegal coursing like your suggesting. A lot of the well respected coursing men were part of the organized gangs you talk of. It wasnt them the spot light was on though it was the legal organized meetings. At the time before the ban people who coursed at legal organized meetings were saying its not us you want to target its the illegal eliment a bit like what your doing now.

Edited February 8, 2008 by joe ox

[inan 841]

Inan, My exploits with my dogs are my own affair thankyou very much I have no desire to advertise what I do to every anti or for that matter dog thief in the country. Dog sports were banned predominantly because of legal fox hunting with hounds and legal daytime hare coursing not because of illegal coursing like your suggesting. A lot of the well respected coursing men were part of the organized gangs you talk of. It wasnt them the spot light was on though it was the legal organized meetings. At the time before the ban people who coursed at legal organized meetings were saying its not us you want to target its the illegal eliment a bit like what your doing now.

I never suggested anyone should be targeted,I challenged your assertion that legal coursing people worked to the detriment of coursing,before the ban local papers in the Cambs and Lincs areas regularly carried articles about illegal coursing and the related activities of the people that engaged in it,I said in my post that I was condemning nobody and I stand by that,as you have little experience of the Fens and coursing on them ,I don,t think you are best placed to be pontificating about coursing on them.You make generalized statements without any proof to back them up,ie " alot of the well respected coursing men were part of the organized gangs".Can you sustantiate this ? ,I think I know quite a few well known coursing men ,and people like Miles and others know them too,who do you know among them? And to whom are you referrring?I don,t know how much you do ,or have done with your dogs Joe,as you say you have no intention of sharing any of your experiences with us,thats your perogative,but you can hardly expect people to give you much credibility,if you remain an unknown quantity.I would hazard a guess that you have done very little single handed coursing ,especially on "big land".You can correct me if Im wrong ,and I will take your word for it,but that,s my impression ,and if Im right I think you are talking from ignorance.Inan

[inan 841]

That article is a few years old now, and yes it is full of inaccuracies. In fact, it had more inaccuracies relating to the Hunting Act and there was a thread on it at the time because I started it (being one of my local forces and all that ). I'm proud to say that I at least got the bit about it being illegal to hunt all mammals with dogs taken out, along with a few other pieces of bullshit. However, I couldn't get them to budge on the rest!

Fair play to you Crow for taking the time and trouble to correct their lies,so many just shrug their shoulders and leave it.I can remember a Labour Minister for what was then the Ag and Fish ,a gay man called Robinson I believe,stating on national TV that hares were let out of boxes at the Waterloo Cup to be coursed by savage dogs,that it was a disgrace and should be banned,we can laugh but,how many folk believed him?

[Guest joe ox]

Inan, I said to you in a PM that I probably have not done as much as you on big land not I had done very little. I will also say this to you now on the forum, I probably never will because daytime coursing is not my passion and you have at least 15 year on me. The point I was getting at in my first post was the feck you Iam all right and blame it on the poachers attitude what a lot of coursing/dog men who stayed within the law had was detramental to the hunting cause and IMO it was! Not knowing this one and that one what does it matter who I do and dont know? hare coursing is a very in your face thing when your in the right circles! there is also plenty information around about it so it doesnt take long to get round what this one and that one is up to does it? but Iam not going to start name dropping like you do on a public forum that just is not my style. As for credability that is something I neither want or ask for on a internet forum!

Edited February 8, 2008 by joe ox

[nealey 0]

Fcuking disgusting, pitty the bloody police aint got note better to do, and to say that people hare coursing are all involved in serious crime, b*****ds. Wonder how many false alarms they're get where the general puplic can't tell the difference between a rabbit and a hare being chased.