Starmer

[kanny 20,374]

I'm not quite ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater but reform are on thin ice and not just because of Tice ,farage also has shown some worrying traits of late ,if they are just going to capitulate to the point of not be distinguishable from the other lot then what's the fkin point. 

[dogmandont 9,731]

Doesn't matter your opinion on it but look what it took to bring about change in Northern Ireland for the nationalist people and I'm afraid everyone in the UK is now up against that very same establishment machine. 

They'll trample you into the ground until you've got no other option but to use extreme measures or take the soup. 

[WILF 46,485]

19 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Doesn't matter your opinion on it but look what it took to bring about change in Northern Ireland for the nationalist people and I'm afraid everyone in the UK is now up against that very same establishment machine. 

They'll trample you into the ground until you've got no other option but to use extreme measures or take the soup. 

In reality one of the worst things about it all is that what you say is true mate……I have said for ages, the only thing that combats absolute insanity is worse insanity and it’s the only logical destination as far as I can see.

All we can do is sit back and wait for it to all go wrong…..shit isn’t it. 

[Borr 5,680]

38 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Doesn't matter your opinion on it but look what it took to bring about change in Northern Ireland for the nationalist people and I'm afraid everyone in the UK is now up against that very same establishment machine. 

They'll trample you into the ground until you've got no other option but to use extreme measures or take the soup. 

Nah I don't see the relation between the two. IRA got defunded after 9/11 and took seats in government, which will hopefully return to working order some time soon. 

The issue Britain , Ireland and the rest of Europe face is a global establishment, but the political landscape is changing as shown across multiple countries including our own. I think any form of terrorism or violence will slow down the political changes required in the UK.

Edited Monday at 18:51 by Borr

[dogmandont 9,731]

4 minutes ago, Borr said:

Nah I don't see the relation between the two. IRA got defunded after 9/11 and took seats in government, which will hopefully return to working order some time soon. 

The issue Britain , Ireland and the rest of Europe face is a global establishment, but the political landscape is changing as shown across multiple countries including our own. I think any form of terrorism or violence will slow down the political changes required in the UK.

You are living through your very own Plantation, you are living through your very own internment, citizens jailed for having an opinion... Protesting... Jailed.

Wait till they censor the opposition... Oh already done that..

There is lots of very stark comparisons if you care to look but you are right in saying it's Europe wide, what happened in the north of Ireland is happening on a much bigger scale. 

[Borr 5,680]

I'm a bit disappointed that  it seems overlooked by the offended march supporters that only way to either have right leaning (or whatever terminology you care to use) or to push politics right of centre is to have a party appealing to more than half the constituency in all parts of Britain, that feat alone feels like an impossible task when already voters right of current Tories can't see that it's a numbers game. I'd say the marches may build and become more palatable to mainstream voters next year , but currently it is a minority and minority will not carry enough sway in government and government is the only way to change our current situation. 

[DIDO.1 22,417]

1 hour ago, mackem said:

I stopped reading after that, the rest was superfluous, good job you didn't come to London or you too would have been branded far right by yet another political party leader/ex-leader. 

You should have came actually, there was a guy wandering around in a viking helmet, and another bloke with a patterdale who genuinely wanted a civil war, you would have enjoyed the characters. 

I've been branded far right my whole life  

It would of been good to meet with you and Borr though and definitely need to catch up at some point soon

[WILF 46,485]

1 hour ago, Borr said:

Nah I don't see the relation between the two. IRA got defunded after 9/11 and took seats in government, which will hopefully return to working order some time soon. 

The issue Britain , Ireland and the rest of Europe face is a global establishment, but the political landscape is changing as shown across multiple countries including our own. I think any form of terrorism or violence will slow down the political changes required in the UK.

I take his point in as much as it will end in some type of terribleness…..I don’t what the shape of that is, maybe conflict, maybe worse, maybe it’s just being a subjugated people in their own land……whatever, it won’t end pretty.

You can’t reason with people who are insane, period !…….and make no mistake, our politicians are insane ! 
These people are zealots and fanatics  every bit as much as Hamas, Red Brigade, Muslim extremists…..they just go about their atrocities in different ways and we elect them to do it ! 

[mackem 25,975]

 

[TRUEBRIT66 1,490]

12 hours ago, Borr said:

I'm a bit disappointed that  it seems overlooked by the offended march supporters that only way to either have right leaning (or whatever terminology you care to use) or to push politics right of centre is to have a party appealing to more than half the constituency in all parts of Britain, that feat alone feels like an impossible task when already voters right of current Tories can't see that it's a numbers game. I'd say the marches may build and become more palatable to mainstream voters next year , but currently it is a minority and minority will not carry enough sway in government and government is the only way to change our current situation. 

There was a interview with a Christian lady I saw on youtube, she was not there for Tommy Robinson and she berated the "football songs and drinking" but was concerned that Christian values and our culture was being eroded and that was why she attended as she felt there was no other avenue.

There were banners highlighting the two tier justice system, woke ideology, Christianity, free speech, division caused by Islam and BLM,  anti government as well as the grooming gang and illegal immigrant issue. There were people and flags from all over the world Israel, India, Iran, Jamaica and you could not get a more diverse group of views and people and each one stood together to share their concerns and Unite The Kingdom to make it a better place for their Children and Grandchildren.

Richard Tice and Reform have put people like that Christian lady and all of the concerns of the people at the march into one big "Tommy Robinson pot" and stated anyone attending or feeling the same way as "not wanting to have anything to do with that lot".

I do get what you are saying mate but the concerns shown on Saturday are the same ones Reform are using as the back bone of their policies and they appear to have taken the MSM narrative rather than come out with a more "voter friendly response". So for me I believe they are no better than what we have on offer now and have made a massive mistake.            

[.357shooter 1,171]

The saying goes how do you know if a politician is lying the answer is because his/her mouth is open.

[Borr 5,680]

1 hour ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

There was a interview with a Christian lady I saw on youtube, she was not there for Tommy Robinson and she berated the "football songs and drinking" but was concerned that Christian values and our culture was being eroded and that was why she attended as she felt there was no other avenue.

There were banners highlighting the two tier justice system, woke ideology, Christianity, free speech, division caused by Islam and BLM,  anti government as well as the grooming gang and illegal immigrant issue. There were people and flags from all over the world Israel, India, Iran, Jamaica and you could not get a more diverse group of views and people and each one stood together to share their concerns and Unite The Kingdom to make it a better place for their Children and Grandchildren.

Richard Tice and Reform have put people like that Christian lady and all of the concerns of the people at the march into one big "Tommy Robinson pot" and stated anyone attending or feeling the same way as "not wanting to have anything to do with that lot".

I do get what you are saying mate but the concerns shown on Saturday are the same ones Reform are using as the back bone of their policies and they appear to have taken the MSM narrative rather than come out with a more "voter friendly response". So for me I believe they are no better than what we have on offer now and have made a massive mistake.            

Yep I get that , he refers to myself also. But what other realistic options are on the table? I'm sure labour and conservatives and lib Dems and greens (seemingly hijacked by other groups) will be overjoyed at a division this early on in reforms formation.

[TRUEBRIT66 1,490]

3 minutes ago, Borr said:

Yep I get that , he refers to myself also. But what other realistic options are on the table? I'm sure labour and conservatives and lib Dems and greens (seemingly hijacked by other groups) will be overjoyed at a division this early on in reforms formation.

Sad isnt it, vote for the party you believe lies the less.  

[tatsblisters 9,356]

2 hours ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

There was a interview with a Christian lady I saw on youtube, she was not there for Tommy Robinson and she berated the "football songs and drinking" but was concerned that Christian values and our culture was being eroded and that was why she attended as she felt there was no other avenue.

There were banners highlighting the two tier justice system, woke ideology, Christianity, free speech, division caused by Islam and BLM,  anti government as well as the grooming gang and illegal immigrant issue. There were people and flags from all over the world Israel, India, Iran, Jamaica and you could not get a more diverse group of views and people and each one stood together to share their concerns and Unite The Kingdom to make it a better place for their Children and Grandchildren.

Richard Tice and Reform have put people like that Christian lady and all of the concerns of the people at the march into one big "Tommy Robinson pot" and stated anyone attending or feeling the same way as "not wanting to have anything to do with that lot".

I do get what you are saying mate but the concerns shown on Saturday are the same ones Reform are using as the back bone of their policies and they appear to have taken the MSM narrative rather than come out with a more "voter friendly response". So for me I believe they are no better than what we have on offer now and have made a massive mistake.            

All of them are a cabal of liar's. Can't wait for the results of tomorrow's budget and to listen to more lies and pathetic excuses this devious labour party will come out with. 

[scotty12 1,770]

12 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

All of them are a cabal of liar's. Can't wait for the results of tomorrow's budget and to listen to more lies and pathetic excuses this devious labour party will come out with. 

Is mad as this sounds but hopefully the budget is as bad as can be tomorrow. 
 

people are needing this budget to directly affect daily life in a negative way  so they can grow a backbone and stand up to these rat b*****ds.