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6 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Guilty on the atheist accusation. Well atheist/ agnostic. Marxist...nah. Firm believer in capitalism...nordic style is my huge preference.

In answer to your question. I have already stated I am not in favour of medicine,hormone replacement or surgery.

Further, I disagree with men using women's toilets, being sent to women's prisons or competing in women's sporting events.

If a child or an adult has a psychological problem and wants to cross dress and be called a man or a woman then I think it's a form of medieval witchcraft to get judgemental about it and condemn them as evil and dangerous.

Cross dressing and men pretending to be women or vice versa has been around since the emergence of man. In some circumstances it's a highly popular form of entertainment: drag. Drag leaves me cold, doesn't float my boat, but hey, live and let live.

Of course there are only two sexes but in some people's heads something goes wrong and they don't feel comfortable in their biologically assigned sex. It's just a part of life.

We don't damn and condemn autistic people or people with other neurological disorders so why single out this form of illness?

Incidentally, The Sun and The Daily Fail ran hysterical, rabid stories about kids identifying with cats and being provided with litter trays. There were other such myths doing the rounds. An investigative journalist followed up each reported case both here and in America and there was absolutely no substance whatsoever in any of the reports. 

Live and let live.

 

You got something too tell us Roxanne ??? Lol

 

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9 hours ago, Francie, said:

I enjoy most of your posts juke,but your fundamentalist ideology (atheism,Marxism) is shining through in this post.

The man was told to call a child plural words,that's not teaching,that's not his job,its a radical ideology.

Why should he partake in such abuse of children with a mental disorder called dysmorphia?

Answer me this if the same child wanted to mutilate his/her genitals to transition,would you agree to that too?

That's exactly what my Mrs recons it is ...body dysmorphia...

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1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Guilty on the atheist accusation. Well atheist/ agnostic. Marxist...nah. Firm believer in capitalism... enlightened, nordic style capitalistism is my huge preference.

In answer to your question. I have already stated I am not in favour of medicine,hormone replacement or surgery.

Further, I disagree with men using women's toilets, being sent to women's prisons or competing in women's sporting events.

If a child or an adult has a psychological problem and wants to cross dress and be called a man or a woman then I think it's a form of medieval witchcraft to get judgemental about it and condemn them as evil and dangerous.

Cross dressing and men pretending to be women or vice versa has been around since the emergence of man. In some circumstances it's a highly popular form of entertainment: drag. Drag leaves me cold, doesn't float my boat, but hey, I am nobody's judge or jury.

Of course there are only two sexes, but in some people's heads something goes wrong and they don't feel comfortable in their biologically assigned sex. It's just a part of life.

We don't damn and condemn autistic people or people with other neurological disorders so why single out this form of illness?

Incidentally, The Sun and The Daily Fail ran hysterical, rabid stories about kids identifying with cats and being provided with litter trays. There were other such myths doing the rounds. An investigative journalist followed up each reported case both here and in America and there was absolutely no substance whatsoever in any of the reports. The papers involved knew readers love to be scandalised,shake their wise heads and chunner about what the world is coming to. The truth did not matter.

 

Fundamentalists  such as we have here would be ducking old women with wispy beards in the duck pond and accusing them of being  witches.

I've always agreed with the commandment: Do unto others....... The teacher should leave the kid alone and do his job. Live and let live and let's not bully people who are different.

 

I don’t think anyone is damning or condemning anyone, it’s not wrong to recognise someone has a phycological disorder and say “let’s get you some help”……to me the cruelty is reinforcing the delusion.

You mention autism mate, my youngest son is autistic and guess what ?……he knows he is autistic and that means his brain functions a little bit differently and that it means he reacts differently to things in daily life…..he knows it, he understands it and he learns how to measure himself in social situations every day to make his life easier  because we have talked about it with him.

We didn’t say “It’s completely normal to only ware your underpants when we go to Tesco” because he don’t like being dressed at home…..it wouldn’t do him any favours to say “Yeah, that’s fine out in the world” and he understands why.

Theres no cruelty in kind honesty.

Beating up a man dressed as a girl isn’t even on the same planet as calling him “him” and yet that is the mental leap some of these loons are making. 

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11 minutes ago, WILF said:

I don’t think anyone is damning or condemning anyone, it’s not wrong to recognise someone has a phycological disorder and say “let’s get you some help”……to me the cruelty is reinforcing the delusion.

You mention autism mate, my youngest son is autistic and guess what ?……he knows he is autistic and that means his brain functions a little bit differently and that it means he reacts differently to things in daily life…..he knows it, he understands it and he learns how to measure himself in social situations every day to make his life easier  because we have talked about it with him.

We didn’t say “It’s completely normal to only ware your underpants when we go to Tesco” because he don’t like being dressed at home…..it wouldn’t do him any favours to say “Yeah, that’s fine out in the world” and he understands why.

Theres no cruelty in kind honesty.

Beating up a man dressed as a girl isn’t even on the same planet as calling him “him” and yet that is the mental leap some of these loons are making. 

My eldest grandson has autism and is now in his early 20s and he knows as from a young age my daughter and me and his grandmother did exactly the same mate when he was growing up and i know for a cert he would call some one a man or a woman or boy or girl not some silly name that someone who does not wish to identify with either.

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1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Guilty on the atheist accusation. Well atheist/ agnostic. Marxist...nah. Firm believer in capitalism... enlightened, nordic style capitalistism is my huge preference.

In answer to your question. I have already stated I am not in favour of medicine,hormone replacement or surgery.

Further, I disagree with men using women's toilets, being sent to women's prisons or competing in women's sporting events.

If a child or an adult has a psychological problem and wants to cross dress and be called a man or a woman then I think it's a form of medieval witchcraft to get judgemental about it and condemn them as evil and dangerous.

Cross dressing and men pretending to be women or vice versa has been around since the emergence of man. In some circumstances it's a highly popular form of entertainment: drag. Drag leaves me cold, doesn't float my boat, but hey, I am nobody's judge or jury.

Of course there are only two sexes, but in some people's heads something goes wrong and they don't feel comfortable in their biologically assigned sex. It's just a part of life.

We don't damn and condemn autistic people or people with other neurological disorders so why single out this form of illness?

Incidentally, The Sun and The Daily Fail ran hysterical, rabid stories about kids identifying with cats and being provided with litter trays. There were other such myths doing the rounds. An investigative journalist followed up each reported case both here and in America and there was absolutely no substance whatsoever in any of the reports. The papers involved knew readers love to be scandalised,shake their wise heads and chunner about what the world is coming to. The truth did not matter.

 

Fundamentalists  such as we have here would be ducking old women with wispy beards in the duck pond and accusing them of being  witches.

I've always agreed with the commandment: Do unto others....... The teacher should leave the kid alone and do his job.

Lets live and let live and not bully people who are different.

 

Fair enough juke.

Here's the thing tho,the teacher didnt bully the waine,he refused to use pronouns,that's it,he didnt singlrme the child out or make them feel different.

Why not just get the child help for there illness like we used to do instead of playing along with there illness an pretending it's normal?

Where does it end,if your child came in one day an said,I want to identify as non binary an said I dint want to be called by my birth name,I not a boy or a girl,would you go along with it or try an help with the problem.

Another question,would you agree with a boy identifying as a girl an wanting to use the girls toilets with there pronouns being her she?

 

 

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1 hour ago, WILF said:

I don’t think anyone is damning or condemning anyone, it’s not wrong to recognise someone has a phycological disorder and say “let’s get you some help”……to me the cruelty is reinforcing the delusion.

You mention autism mate, my youngest son is autistic and guess what ?……he knows he is autistic and that means his brain functions a little bit differently and that it means he reacts differently to things in daily life…..he knows it, he understands it and he learns how to measure himself in social situations every day to make his life easier  because we have talked about it with him.

We didn’t say “It’s completely normal to only ware your underpants when we go to Tesco” because he don’t like being dressed at home…..it wouldn’t do him any favours to say “Yeah, that’s fine out in the world” and he understands why.

Theres no cruelty in kind honesty.

Beating up a man dressed as a girl isn’t even on the same planet as calling him “him” and yet that is the mental leap some of these loons are making. 

Life is a broad church. I've met lots of people in my 75 years who don't fit the template. I don't believe in a one size fits all approach to people. Some of my favourite people are ' different ' or pursue different lifestyles. It's the good side of living in a relatively free society.

I suspect the teacher wanted to present himself as Jesus's representive holding up the flame of virtue.

Jesus as a historical figure definitely existed. I am a fan of his but I dont believe he was God. Jesus hung out with the poor, the prostitutes and the lepers. He wouldn't want that teacher thinking he was representing his values. Jesus accepted everybody and preached love. He didn't condemn those who were different. He believed in  acceptance.

The teacher is preaching the opposite.

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7 minutes ago, Francie, said:

Fair enough juke.

Here's the thing tho,the teacher didnt bully the waine,he refused to use pronouns,that's it,he didnt singlrme the child out or make them feel different.

Why not just get the child help for there illness like we used to do instead of playing along with there illness an pretending it's normal?

Where does it end,if your child came in one day an said,I want to identify as non binary an said I dint want to be called by my birth name,I not a boy or a girl,would you go along with it or try an help with the problem.

Another question,would you agree with a boy identifying as a girl an wanting to use the girls toilets with there pronouns being her she?

 

 

If it was my kid I would try and help the him or her in whatever way I could. 

Not in favour of cross dressers using toilets other than the one they were biologically assigned to. 

I would have no problem if somebody wanted to be called he or she. No skin off my nose or anybody's nose.

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12 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

If it was my kid I would try and help the him or her in whatever way I could. 

Not in favour of cross dressers using toilets other than the one they were biologically assigned to. 

I would have no problem if somebody wanted to be called he or she. No skin off my nose or anybody's nose.

But thsts the thing 99% of the people who identify as opposite sex want to use the opposite toilet,its a fact mate,it goes hand in hand.

An jesus also said he created them Male an female,very clear on this.

He also said we were created in his image,so a child wanting to be named or dressed in the opposite sex I dont think he would approve of,but that's not to say he would bully them or anything,I dont agree with it all,but I definatley wouldn't bully anyone over it especially a child.

 

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1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

If it was my kid I would try and help the him or her in whatever way I could. 

Not in favour of cross dressers using toilets other than the one they were biologically assigned to. 

I would have no problem if somebody wanted to be called he or she. No skin off my nose or anybody's nose.

That’s very kind way of looking at it, and I totally get it……but, here’s the question:

If you are forced to lie about something obvious, what else are you prepared to gloss over with a lie ?…….why should you be forced to lie in the first place ?

Calling a him “him” isn’t violence or bullying……a self harmer isn’t decorating their body, you don’t say “what a lovely pattern”…..you say “I don’t think that’s right” and if asked why you say “Because they obviously have issues and need help because that’s hurting them” 

You don’t lie and say it’s all good, their choice……maybe you should ?, maybe you should be sacked for stopping them self harming ? I don’t know, but not in my world is that a thing. 

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1 minute ago, WILF said:

That’s very kind way of looking at it, and I totally get it……but, here’s the question:

If you are forced to lie about something obvious, what else are you prepared to gloss over with a lie ?…….why should you be forced to lie in the first place ?

Calling a him “him” isn’t violence or bullying……a self harmer isn’t decorating their body, you don’t say “what a lovely pattern”…..you say “I don’t think that’s right” and if asked why you say “Because they obviously have issues and need help because that’s hurting them” 

You don’t lie and say it’s all good, their choice……maybe you should ?, maybe you should be sacked for stopping them self harming ? I don’t know, but not in my world is that a thing. 

Yes but you are assuming some whacko parent has given their kid permission go wear a dress or whatever. But the decision may gave been taken on the advice of a child psychiatrist in consultation with the headmaster. Maybe the child is threatening suicide or self harm, so allowing the body dysmorphia  or whatever the problem is, is the best way forward. Best not to judge is my belief. Anyway I'm out mate.

 

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2 hours ago, WILF said:

I don’t think anyone is damning or condemning anyone, it’s not wrong to recognise someone has a phycological disorder and say “let’s get you some help”……to me the cruelty is reinforcing the delusion.

You mention autism mate, my youngest son is autistic and guess what ?……he knows he is autistic and that means his brain functions a little bit differently and that it means he reacts differently to things in daily life…..he knows it, he understands it and he learns how to measure himself in social situations every day to make his life easier  because we have talked about it with him.

We didn’t say “It’s completely normal to only ware your underpants when we go to Tesco” because he don’t like being dressed at home…..it wouldn’t do him any favours to say “Yeah, that’s fine out in the world” and he understands why.

Theres no cruelty in kind honesty.

Beating up a man dressed as a girl isn’t even on the same planet as calling him “him” and yet that is the mental leap some of these loons are making. 

My lad is the very same with clothes, if we have visitors he'll stick a pair of shorts and a tshirt on but the second they leave he's back in his underwear. 

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2 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

My lad is the very same with clothes, if we have visitors he'll stick a pair of shorts and a tshirt on but the second they leave he's back in his underwear. 

Yep ! Lol 

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17 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Yes but you are assuming some whacko parent has given their kid permission go wear a dress or whatever. But the decision may gave been taken on the advice of a child psychiatrist in consultation with the headmaster. Maybe the child is threatening suicide or self harm, so allowing the body dysmorphia  or whatever the problem is, is the best way forward. Best not to judge is my belief. Anyway I'm out mate.

 

Again, in this instance the bloke wasn’t judging, he just refused to lie based on his religious conviction which from what I can see amounted to saying “him or her” to a him or her…….I don’t think the bloke was speaking in tongues or dipping them in water ! Lol 

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@jukel123 Just to cheer you up I’ll say Manchester United identify as Real Madrid…..now you can tell yourself Ten Haag can stay and let everyone know you won the league ! Lol 

 

[Francie, 2,256]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Yes but you are assuming some whacko parent has given their kid permission go wear a dress or whatever. But the decision may gave been taken on the advice of a child psychiatrist in consultation with the headmaster. Maybe the child is threatening suicide or self harm, so allowing the body dysmorphia  or whatever the problem is, is the best way forward. Best not to judge is my belief. Anyway I'm out mate.

 

Children who transition or want to change there gender have s very high rate of suicide,the child has been abused an failed if we keep pretending there something there not mate.