Breeding siblings ?

[mC HULL 12,105]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

You'd need to own a lot of dogs or have them out on breeding terms to do that? 

yes or twenty different lads get related dogs and start lines then decades later there is loads to choose from 

[mC HULL 12,105]

5 minutes ago, jeemes said:

Sorry for the echo 

yes mate breeding back into its family 

say with my type a dog i wanted it more for teeth id find the right bull x the right pups and the right amount needed with bull it wouldn’t be a lot then line breed off the pups with the desired trait while trying to lose as little from the start dogs as possible 

[Aussie Whip 4,080]

5 minutes ago, jeemes said:

You can also end up with bigger fertility. You dont have to kill pups just dont breed them. 

I always thought it lowered fertility but those only brother to sister lab mice have huge litters if I remember right. 

[jeemes 4,444]

1 hour ago, mC HULL said:

my bitch is similar to her sire if she still with me 4 year time i’ll put her to his brother who is as close to her sire as you can wish ive never seen 2 dogs from a litter be so alike from looks attitude to ability i get something from that the my dogs straws be coming out in a decade or so lol that should see me out in me daywalking days lol

You are inbreeding,well done. People get all tied up about diffrent relations, brother/sister sire/daughter etc. That isnt the important thing. If they share a common genes and must be very healthy ,thats the main thing

[Aussie Whip 4,080]

2 minutes ago, jeemes said:

If they share a common genes and must be very healthy ,thats the main thing

Do you reckon the only way to find that out is to do a brother sister mating? because the negative traits can be hidden well.

[jeemes 4,444]

1 minute ago, Aussie Whip said:

I always thought it lowered fertility but those only brother to sister lab mice have huge litters if I remember right. 

I think you have to keep an eye open and look for bad aswell as good traits. If you get to a pre potent or pure dominant stud for instance, he could mate faulty bitches because his DD genes will cover any faults the bitch has, but that only works for one mating because you have reintroduced recessive genes back into the blood.

[jeemes 4,444]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

Do you reckon the only way to find that out is to do a brother sister mating? because the negative traits can be hidden well.

Brother sister is quicker to see results good or bad because its simplified.

[mC HULL 12,105]

6 minutes ago, jeemes said:

You are inbreeding,well done. People get all tied up about diffrent relations, brother/sister sire/daughter etc. That isnt the important thing. If they share a common genes and must be very healthy ,thats the main thing

i’ll put pedigree of the bitch up later for a look she’s already linebred see how inbred she looks on paper 

[jeemes 4,444]

Ive put this up before but look at this pedigree to produce a stud Bull of purity. They were not afraid to go close in those days and the butter yield just went up and up.

[jeemes 4,444]

4 hours ago, Backandbeyond said:

So how do you then make improvements and breed in desirable traits? 

You cant add with inbreeding but you can improve stock. You need to start with good dogs or at least one, dog or bitch. They might not be pure but they have qualities and you can breed to them in and in, culling anything that isnt healthy.

[Black neck 15,832]

8 hours ago, Krishna said:

The whole point of inbreeding is to lock in traits, and the only point in outcrossing is to add in traits that you desire. It would make no sense inbreeding and then immediately outcrossing, if that's needed then you shouldn't have been doing the inbreeding to start with. What is key is to cull hard when inbreeding, if done properly then you should be ok.

You have to out cross at some point or your end up like my uncle sister

[Black neck 15,832]

52 minutes ago, jeemes said:

You cant add with inbreeding but you can improve stock. You need to start with good dogs or at least one, dog or bitch. They might not be pure but they have qualities and you can breed to them in and in, culling anything that isnt healthy.

How long can this lark carry on for u reckon

[Krishna 94]

1 minute ago, Black neck said:

You have to out cross at some point or your end up like my uncle sister

You can still use dogs of the same line mate.

[Black neck 15,832]

3 minutes ago, Krishna said:

You can still use dogs of the same line mate.

Same line as in brothers and sisters 

[Krishna 94]

6 minutes ago, Black neck said:

Same line as in brothers and sisters 

No, the same family of dogs.