Breeding siblings ?

[jeemes 4,453]

4 hours ago, Aussie Whip said:

They do it to see what underlying genetic problems exist in their dogs and to cement a line. I wouldn't do it on purpose but I've only bred the odd litter for myself and rather use dogs that were good workers even if they are totally unrelated. Not worth the chance of having underlying problems come out later on. They have a strain of lab mice they only breed brother to sister and are never sick but it's probably hundreds of generations and culling to get to that stage.

You are taking the bigger chance with unrelated breeding. Close breeding puts the odds in your favour. Bad breeding is fixing bad traits or conditions because they are unseen or ignored.

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[Backandbeyond 104]

1 hour ago, jeemes said:

So all siblings are twinned?

Twinned?

[mC HULL 12,238]

12 minutes ago, jeemes said:

You are taking the bigger chance with unrelated breeding. Close breeding puts the odds in your favour. Bad breeding is fixing bad traits or conditions because they are unseen or ignored.

you got ten bitches bred them to there farther both superb runners then the same bitches bred them to a different line but same family 

i know which would throw more quality pups it ain’t the farther daughter mate 

 

im all for line breeding mate but not inbred like that 

[Backandbeyond 104]

58 minutes ago, Krishna said:

The whole point of inbreeding is to lock in traits, and the only point in outcrossing is to add in traits that you desire. It would make no sense inbreeding and then immediately outcrossing, if that's needed then you shouldn't have been doing the inbreeding to start with. What is key is to cull hard when inbreeding, if done properly then you should be ok.

Priority for any breeding (improvement of animals) is to make sure that neurological issues have no chance of developing.

For livestock and mice that has been mentioned, have no issues in this area that's why they can be inbred time after time. Their not dogs, their extremely low IQ and stupid to put it simply. 

Dogs on the other hand are obviously different animals. Their train ability, intelligence and mental make up are key to having a well rounded, biddable, trainable animal that you can live with. 

Line breeding and inbreeding has it's place of course when trying to lock in good traits and mold a breed to suit your needs or qualities you desire. 

But sibling to sibling from the same litter...I wouldn't even consider that being ever an option. Too close, makes no sense, only problems.

[jeemes 4,453]

3 minutes ago, Backandbeyond said:

Twinned?

The point Im making is siblings do not all have the same genetic makeup but they certainly got more in common which makes it easier to see and fix traits.

[jeemes 4,453]

4 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

you got ten bitches bred them to there farther both superb runners then the same bitches bred them to a different line but same family 

i know which would throw more quality pups it ain’t the farther daughter mate 

 

im all for line breeding mate but not inbred like that 

What is it that makes you think that? whats the reasoning?

[jeemes 4,453]

4 minutes ago, Backandbeyond said:

Priority for any breeding (improvement of animals) is to make sure that neurological issues have no chance of developing.

For livestock and mice that has been mentioned, have no issues in this area that's why they can be inbred time after time. Their not dogs, their extremely low IQ and stupid to put it simply. 

Dogs on the other hand are obviously different animals. Their train ability, intelligence and mental make up are key to having a well rounded, biddable, trainable animal that you can live with. 

Line breeding and inbreeding has it's place of course when trying to lock in good traits and mold a breed to suit your needs or qualities you desire. 

But sibling to sibling from the same litter...I wouldn't even consider that being ever an option. Too close, makes no sense, only problems.

Why too close? What makes it bad?

[mC HULL 12,238]

12 minutes ago, jeemes said:

What is it that makes you think that? whats the reasoning?

just from what i’ve seen mate the heavily inbred stuff is never close to the quality of linebred stuff 

how many great coursing dogs were heavily inbred ? 

how many great pit dogs were ? 

 

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[Backandbeyond 104]

13 minutes ago, jeemes said:

The point Im making is siblings do not all have the same genetic makeup but they certainly got more in common which makes it easier to see and fix traits.

Ok, so say you have bred a litter, dogs and bitches. You raise them, work them and decide that you want to fix some traits that you don't desire.

How can you fix their flaws by breeding those same animals together? 

You've just established that they need improving, so how can anything be improved apon if your breeding 2 animals together that lack what you need?

 

[jeemes 4,453]

2 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

just from what i’ve seen mate the heavily inbred stuff is never close to the quality of linebred stuff 

how many great coursing dogs were heavenly inbred ? 

how many great pit dogs were ? 

 

What heavily inbred stuff? 

[mC HULL 12,238]

25 minutes ago, jeemes said:

What heavily inbred stuff? 

? 

heavily inbred as in brother sister farther daughter i know breeding further away after a few generations they could be nearly as inbred as farther daughter 

 

i thought you had a lot better chance to lock in desired traits linebreeding and more chance of locking in bad traits issues inbreeding 

 

how many top greyhounds are inbred ? 

how many top horses are inbred ? 

only people do it really are the terrier lads and gamedogs 

and even then how many great pit dogs come from brother sister farther daughter sibling breedings mate ? 

 

 

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[mC HULL 12,238]

it just what i read been told bits i have seen there will be lads have a lot more experience breeding all differnet animals know a lot more i enjoy the subject so i don’t mind anyone going into detail lol 

[jeemes 4,453]

29 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

? 

heavily inbred as in brother sister farther daughter i know breeding further away after a few generations they could be nearly as inbred as farther daughter 

 

i thought you had a lot better chance to lock in desired traits linebreeding and more chance of locking in bad traits issues inbreeding 

 

how many top greyhounds are inbred ? 

how many top horses are inbred ? 

only people do it really are the terrier lads and gamedogs 

and even then how many great pit dogs come from brother sister farther daughter sibling breedings mate ? 

 

 

You can lock in good or bad. Inbreeding is just a lot quicker in the beginning.

[mr moocher 918]

2 hours ago, jeemes said:

Why did you outcross ?

i crossed in another line bred line i dont like to keep inbreeding,

[jeemes 4,453]

29 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

it just what i read been told bits i have seen there will be lads have a lot more experience breeding all differnet animals know a lot more i enjoy the subject so i don’t mind anyone going into detail lol 

If you want to learn you need to understand how genes divide when the egg is fertilised by the sperm and how they are divided into dominant and recessive, and how traits are represented by dominant and recessive genes.