Bear Cull Sweden

[Born Hunter 17,743]

Just now, Pewit said:

Is that mantra followed in the wild though, that I have no idea? I hope that's the case for the sake of the animals.

Let’s be perfectly honest, trophy hunting of any form is the least threat to wild places and animals and certainly in Africa is the only reason 60% of the remaining wild places haven’t been sterilised and turned to barely productive farmland.

The bear hunt in the PO isn’t really a trophy hunt either. It’s outright population control. Self funded predator control with the goal of massive population reduction from the numbers quoted.

[Pewit 970]

Just now, Born Hunter said:

Let’s be perfectly honest, trophy hunting of any form is the least threat to wild places and animals and certainly in Africa is the only reason 60% of the remaining wild places haven’t been sterilised and turned to barely productive farmland.

The bear hunt in the PO isn’t really a trophy hunt either. It’s outright population control. Self funded predator control with the goal of massive population reduction from the numbers quoted.

Do you think that is the case, given the tourism wildlife brings? Of course mate, they have to find the balance with apex predators.

[Born Hunter 17,743]

2 minutes ago, Pewit said:

Yes, he said provided the right bulls are hunted. Bringing that to the bears of Sweden, I'm sure they are on point with things like this? 

I might be able to find out 

I’d kind of hope that they’d have done a census and then have demographic breakdown on the quota for the years. X young boars, Y mature boars, Z mature sows etc etc. But maybe practicalities mean they just have to crack on and next years quota is based on the predicted impact of the previous years depending on the breakdown actually taken. I dunno mate.

[Born Hunter 17,743]

1 minute ago, Pewit said:

Do you think that is the case, given the tourism wildlife brings? Of course mate, they have to find the balance with apex predators.

Yes I do. A typical wildlife utilisation strategy in Africa is to turn the most pristine bit of wild land into a national park that is based entirely on wildlife tourism. These don’t tend to be financially self funding and run at a loss. The land around them is then leased off for sport hunting. This then creates tax revenue that supports the central national park and creates a self funded conservation buffer zone to protect the national park from the truly threatening and destructive farming and cities that encroach further out. Without sport hunting, not only would 60% of Africa’s wild places become unfunded but the national parks would lose a part of their budgets and the threats to the national pros would suddenly be at their boundary in greater numbers than manage to penetrate currently.

[Wolfdog91 6,815]

So something I wanna point out...at least how it seems to me. 

1. Unlike us living where we never see these animals, the people who live around them day in and out generally don't look at them like we do. Ole what's is face living in a guy in Tanzania or wherever is way more concerned with his flock of goats , or his crops over the majestic elephant that or lion that is killing// destroying .  Mean yeah if they stay away that fine but other than hen that their just possible problems, that honestly to them , would make more sense to just get rid of , not like there doing anything for them anyhow. Combine that with some Chinese dude offering you a few months wages to kill on and chop off its balls horns ect so they can have some kinda medicine and out of it...well you get rid of a potential problem and makes some cash too. There's a few poaching documentaries you can watch where these poachers explain this in depth and just matter of fact. Deal is they don't care about much past just killing as many as possible. Quantity over quality 

Now say a guide service comes in and you got these rich Americans Brits ext coming in spending 100's of thousands of dollars to kill the same animals and you and your village are making money and upgrades in life ,from being guides , stoping poaching to ensure only the best quarry is out there ..... I mean then you have nothing but a reason to do you best to keep them animals around . To not mess up their habits ect And heck if you get one that turns into a man eater or a rouge bull you got all these hunters fighting over the chance to kill it.

I mean it's like foxes over there. Tons of people find them beautiful and majestic but unless you start paying farmers to not kill them then ....well y'all see 

 

Also the whole "necessity" argument for big game hunting.....that just seems to be a massively fickle thing . Because what happens when that "need" isn't seen to be a need anymore?  Well we don't NEED to hunt this animal their numbers are great....so y'all don't need these guns because you only need to use them for that animal and since theres no need to hunt them... Then another thing is taken ...then another ...then another give them an inch and they take a mile and all that... And by then no one is gonna give a flying f**k about you traditional whatever. If you make it into a donut because of a need and strictly a need well... traditions aren't needs , heck they might just all out make it where only government employees can do this needed task of population control 

[Born Hunter 17,743]

1 minute ago, Wolfdog91 said:

heck they might just all out make it where only government employees can do this needed task of population control 

Isn’t that what Cali did with lions? I saw something about the state now kills as many a year as hunters did! Only difference is a negative rather than positive contribution to the state piggy bank. 

 

[DIDO.1 22,263]

40 minutes ago, Pewit said:

Do you think that is the case, given the tourism wildlife brings? Of course mate, they have to find the balance with apex predators.

Yes it's absolutely the case. Wildlife tourism may protect a few tame animals in a few tiny highly protected areas but beyond that it does nothing. Kenya has zero wildlife outside it's parks.

[Pewit 970]

22 minutes ago, Wolfdog91 said:

So something I wanna point out...at least how it seems to me. 

1. Unlike us living where we never see these animals, the people who live around them day in and out generally don't look at them like we do. Ole what's is face living in a guy in Tanzania or wherever is way more concerned with his flock of goats , or his crops over the majestic elephant that or lion that is killing// destroying .  Mean yeah if they stay away that fine but other than hen that their just possible problems, that honestly to them , would make more sense to just get rid of , not like there doing anything for them anyhow. Combine that with some Chinese dude offering you a few months wages to kill on and chop off its balls horns ect so they can have some kinda medicine and out of it...well you get rid of a potential problem and makes some cash too. There's a few poaching documentaries you can watch where these poachers explain this in depth and just matter of fact. Deal is they don't care about much past just killing as many as possible. Quantity over quality 

Now say a guide service comes in and you got these rich Americans Brits ext coming in spending 100's of thousands of dollars to kill the same animals and you and your village are making money and upgrades in life ,from being guides , stoping poaching to ensure only the best quarry is out there ..... I mean then you have nothing but a reason to do you best to keep them animals around . To not mess up their habits ect And heck if you get one that turns into a man eater or a rouge bull you got all these hunters fighting over the chance to kill it.

I mean it's like foxes over there. Tons of people find them beautiful and majestic but unless you start paying farmers to not kill them then ....well y'all see 

 

Also the whole "necessity" argument for big game hunting.....that just seems to be a massively fickle thing . Because what happens when that "need" isn't seen to be a need anymore?  Well we don't NEED to hunt this animal their numbers are great....so y'all don't need these guns because you only need to use them for that animal and since theres no need to hunt them... Then another thing is taken ...then another ...then another give them an inch and they take a mile and all that... And by then no one is gonna give a flying f**k about you traditional whatever. If you make it into a donut because of a need and strictly a need well... traditions aren't needs , heck they might just all out make it where only government employees can do this needed task of population control 

Full agree mate and truth be told I don't even think the draw of hunting will save them species in the long run. Lions, tigers, etc, they are destined for man made extinction IMO.

[DIDO.1 22,263]

Professional hunter killed by a buffalo in Zambia yesterday 

[Pewit 970]

7 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Yes it's absolutely the case. Wildlife tourism may protect a few tame animals in a few tiny highly protected areas but beyond that it does nothing. Kenya has zero wildlife outside it's parks.

Where are you & Born getting your figures from? From what I can find on the web wildlife tourism brings in a lot more revenue than the hunting industry?

[Pewit 970]

5 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Professional hunter killed by a buffalo in Zambia yesterday 

Dangerous animal, fcuk around and you find out.

[DIDO.1 22,263]

6 minutes ago, Pewit said:

Where are you & Born getting your figures from? From what I can find on the web wildlife tourism brings in a lot more revenue than the hunting industry?

Your probably right then pal. Kenya teems with animals, 40" buffalo are getting rarer and Botswana has to many elephants because of photo tourism

[Pewit 970]

12 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Your probably right then pal. Kenya teems with animals, 40" buffalo are getting rarer and Botswana has to many elephants because of photo tourism

Do I sense sarcasm mate? 

I'm not saying you are both wrong, just that everything I've read states wildlife tourism brings a lot more revenue than hunting. Obviously both together equals even more revenue.

[Wolfdog91 6,815]

1 hour ago, Born Hunter said:

Isn’t that what Cali did with lions? I saw something about the state now kills as many a year as hunters did! Only difference is a negative rather than positive contribution to the state piggy bank. 

 

Cali with 90% of trapping and large predators, small with Montana and grizzlies , and a lot of other stuff

[DIDO.1 22,263]

I thought these comments from a professional hunter were interesting. Shows the realities of 'trophy hunting'.

If a hunter had shot the lion then the community would have got a percentage of the trophy fee