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5 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Only read half of that but.....I'd say it's completely wrong. 40" bulls aren't rare these days. I've had two mates shoot buffalo bulls and both were 40".  As said earlier it isn't as special now especially in south Africa where they will get supplementary feeding if needed. 

They might not be rare, but they have become rarer according to this assessment. I've read a study on Tigers that read similar. Of course there be may be other factors also involved but as I said, it's a valid point that needs managing properly IMO.

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Don't you mean Bjorn ? 

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It was an iucn report. I posted it on here years ago. Can’t seem to find it now. Google is flooded with the usual left wing hunting hate.

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4 minutes ago, forest of dean redneck said:

I see they have problems with wolves in the Netherlands with a child getting a nasty fright luckily only recieved scratches and a poodle being snatched off its lead .

They can be a real problem, there was a Gamedog breeder who had his yard virtually wiped out by Wolves, it was in Romania I believe.

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I don’t know about Trophy Parks, but in the wild if you kill the biggest and best it must affect the gene pool. Surely it’s the opposite of culling the weak to strengthen the gene pool…..isn’t it, or am I missing something ?

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5 hours ago, Pewit said:

I've always stated on here I am a hypocrite because I hate the killing of large apex predators but I know the conservation side of things is a complex matter. Hopefully they are doing things the right way to ensure a sustainable population.

So I'm honestly not trying to be rude or anything, but what don't you like about it ? I mean I personally don't like how someone of the people who are able to do it are many times just rich pricks who want to say the killed some.ign big and dangerous...but other then that...meh. wolf , coyote, bobcat lion, if their in good numbers same same in my book.

But that's just me and I'm honestly just curious about your thoughts 

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4 minutes ago, Wolfdog91 said:

So I'm honestly not trying to be rude or anything, but what don't you like about it ? I mean I personally don't like how someone of the people who are able to do it are many times just rich pricks who want to say the killed some.ign big and dangerous...but other then that...meh. wolf , coyote, bobcat lion, if their in good numbers same same in my book.

But that's just me and I'm honestly just curious about your thoughts 

I just don't like seeing something so powerful & majestic dead especially when you take in to account the global decline of large animals. Take the tiger, numbers might slowly improving but they are nothing close to what they were before we started hunting them.

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42 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I don’t know about Trophy Parks, but in the wild if you kill the biggest and best it must affect the gene pool. Surely it’s the opposite of culling the weak to strengthen the gene pool…..isn’t it, or am I missing something ?

Cheers.

That's why I think it's important to study and manage things mate. It would be a shame to see for example, male browns reaching 500lb -600lb when in the past they may have been hitting 700lb, I think shit like that is important. 

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3 hours ago, Pewit said:

They might not be rare, but they have become rarer according to this assessment. I've read a study on Tigers that read similar. Of course there be may be other factors also involved but as I said, it's a valid point that needs managing properly IMO.

Well that assessment is wrong 😂

40" buff aren't in any way becoming rarer. As a rat catcher who grew up on a council estate I could reasonably expect to be able to afford to go and shoot one....at no point in history would that of been possible for someone like me. They were once the dream trophy, now they are fairly common....so your assessment that you googled is wrong 

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4 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Well that assessment is wrong 😂

40" buff aren't in any way becoming rarer. As a rat catcher who grew up on a council estate I could reasonably expect to be able to afford to go and shoot one....at no point in history would that of been possible for someone like me. They were once the dream trophy, now they are fairly common....so your assessment that you googled is wrong 

I'll take the word of a rat catcher from the UK over this man. Lol

 

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19 minutes ago, Pewit said:

I'll take the word of a rat catcher from the UK over this man. Lol

 

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So what’s his opinion? Because he’s not referenced in the links you’ve posted as far as I can see. At least his career summary sounds sensible. Much like Ivan Carter.

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3 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

So what’s his opinion? Because he’s not referenced in the links you’ve posted as far as I can see. At least his career summary sounds sensible. Much like Ivan Carter.

He wrote the article in the latest link I posted. For some reason it won't let my copy & paste a snippet. He's basically of the opinion that hunting trophy specimens is a detriment to the population as you are removing them from the gene pool.

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6 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

So what’s his opinion? Because he’s not referenced in the links you’ve posted as far as I can see. At least his career summary sounds sensible. Much like Ivan Carter.

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5 hours ago, Pewit said:

I think you may both be wrong mate.

 

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Only link I didn’t check :doh:

I mean, the “old trophy bulls only” philosophy is what I know to be the modern trophy hunting mantra anyway. Coupled with management hunts that take out the shit and balanced quotas from across the populations demographic groups so as to not imbalance it.

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And just to be clear, he’s not of the opinion than traphy hunting is detrimental. At least not in that piece. He seemed to be of the opinion that unregulated trophy hunting was, whereas regulated to only take old bulls with no more than 2% of the population total harvested would not have a negative impact.

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1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

Only link I didn’t check :doh:

I mean, the “old trophy bulls only” philosophy is what I know to be the modern trophy hunting mantra anyway. Coupled with management hunts that take out the shit and balanced quotas from across the populations demographic groups so as to not imbalance it.

Is that mantra followed in the wild though, that I have no idea? I hope that's the case for the sake of the animals.

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1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

And just to be clear, he’s not of the opinion than traphy hunting is detrimental. At least not in that piece. He seemed to be of the opinion that unregulated trophy hunting was, whereas regulated to only take old bulls with no more than 2% of the population total harvested would not have a negative impact.

Yes, he said provided the right bulls are hunted. Bringing that to the bears of Sweden, I'm sure they are on point with things like this? 

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