Born Hunter 17,763 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 14 minutes ago, jukel123 said: My son does free lance stuff in money. That's genuinely all I know. He says employers from that part of the world can't do enough for you. They've offered him freebies like private flights and to pay him in a dodgy roundabout way so the UK taxman doesn't get hold. He's refused on the grounds of the environment and ethics. He also says he knows I would kick his arse if I found out.lol They f**k you up your mum and dad They may not mean to but they do They give you all the faults they had And add some just for you. To be fair they’ve done well by me. Recognised my potential and pulled me out of the uk team and now got me working directly for them within a small strategic team that are tasked with driving meaningful transformation across the group. They’ve given me the opportunity to do my job properly that I have wanted for the past two years. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 Trophy hunting removes 'good genes' and raises extinction risk - BBC News WWW.BBC.CO.UK Hunting animals with the biggest horns, tusks or manes could lead to extinction, according to a study. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Pewit said: Trophy hunting removes 'good genes' and raises extinction risk - BBC News WWW.BBC.CO.UK Hunting animals with the biggest horns, tusks or manes could lead to extinction, according to a study. A lot of “could” and “might” conjecture in that piece. I’d love to know if they bothered to verify their computer simulations against actual real world data, like any good science would be. People have been hunting the biggest specimens with firearms for 200 years, way more intensively than today in most cases. It absolutely can have negative effects and hunting organisations should adapt management practices to valid science. Is that valid science? Edited August 23 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, Born Hunter said: A lot of “could” and “might” conjecture in that piece. I’d love to know if they bothered to verify their computer simulations against actual real world data, like any good science would be. People have been hunting the biggest specimens with firearms for 200 years, way more intensively than today in most cases. It absolutely can have negative effects and hunting organisations should adapt management practices to valid science. Is that valid science? The article i posted earlier had real evidence. I have also read other articles that I'm trying to find which conclude that unmanaged trophy hunting has had a negative effect on species sizes. I have thought of a few solutions, perhaps more monitoring of individuals, clarifying whether particular individuals have sired a set amount of litters. Colour coded tracking collars to ensure that a chosen trophy animal is at an age where he will have mated with enough females to have sufficiently spread his genes, etc. Edited August 23 by Pewit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,811 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 52 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: To be fair they’ve done well by me. Recognised my potential and pulled me out of the uk team and now got me working directly for them within a small strategic team that are tasked with driving meaningful transformation across the group. They’ve given me the opportunity to do my job properly that I have wanted for the past two years. Ja !! lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,811 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Have you seen the videos of the bears with huge tape worms trailing behind them ? They had me out there for a while but I’m on my holidays now……. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,825 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Pewit said: Trophy hunting removes 'good genes' and raises extinction risk - BBC News WWW.BBC.CO.UK Hunting animals with the biggest horns, tusks or manes could lead to extinction, according to a study. Absolutely rubbish Africa is seeing wildlife numbers boom in areas that have well run trophy hunting. Trophy's that would have taken numerous month long safaris to collect in the 80's can now be taken regularly on a week long safari in south Africa or Namibia. In fact they are shooting record trophy African species on Texas game farms these days. Years ago a 40" cape buff was everyone's dream....now you can state 40" minimum when booking an African hunt. Animal populations suffer when their value as a trophy is less than the value of the land for farming or human expansion....or when there is war or instability. You don't need to worry about any animal population where there is well run sports....from hares to elephant 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said: Absolutely rubbish Africa is seeing wildlife numbers boom in areas that have well run trophy hunting. Trophy's that would have taken numerous month long safaris to collect in the 80's can now be taken regularly on a week long safari in south Africa or Namibia. In fact they are shooting record trophy African species on Texas game farms these days. Years ago a 40" cape buff was everyone's dream....now you can state 40" minimum when booking an African hunt. Animal populations suffer when their value as a trophy is less than the value of the land for farming or human expansion....or when there is war or instability. You don't need to worry about any animal population where there is well run sports....from hares to elephant I posted it not to emphasise wildlife numbers but to point out the studies that show trophy hunting has impacted the size of studied animals. I've read before that tigers don't reach the sizes they once did which makes sense if you just shoot trophy sized animals without some sort of planning behind it. Obviously, the smaller the population of said animals the bigger the impact it will have. Edited August 23 by Pewit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,916 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 16 minutes ago, Pewit said: I posted it not to emphasise wildlife numbers but to point out the studies that show trophy hunting has impacted the size of studied animals. I've read before that tigers don't reach the sizes they once did which makes sense if you just shoot trophy sized animals without some sort of planning behind it. Obviously, the smaller the population of said animals the bigger the impact it will have. Bit facetious that comment mate “without any planning “ just out of interest , what experience do you have in running a game ranch or species keeping ? i don’t think anyone here can truly pass comment on it . What I can say though , as a conduit from a man who spent 2 decades as a lion guide , is that the only thing that truly keeps the size down , is the size of the fence around the ground , a lion will grow above average if given a larger area , to prey and roam in . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 I think you may both be wrong mate. Accurate Buffalo Trophy Assessment - Conservation Frontlines WWW.CONSERVATIONFRONTLINES.ORG The term minimalism is also used to describe a trend in design and architecture where in the subject is... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 3 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Bit facetious that comment mate “without any planning “ just out of interest , what experience do you have in running a game ranch or species keeping ? i don’t think anyone here can truly pass comment on it . What I can say though , as a conduit from a man who spent 2 decades as a lion guide , is that the only thing that truly keeps the size down , is the size of the fence around the ground , a lion will grow above average if given a larger area , to prey and roam in . Not facetious, if the quality of trophy animals have diminished then it's a fair argument to suggest that poor planning and poor management may have taken place. If you just shoot all the trophy specimens with no consideration on whether they have adequately spread their genes then a reduction in quality is what you will find. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,916 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 1 minute ago, Pewit said: Not facetious, if the quality of trophy animals have diminished then it's a fair argument to suggest that poor planning and poor management may have taken place. If you just shoot all the trophy specimens with no consideration on whether they have adequately spread their genes then a reduction in quality is what you will find. I would guess that doing exactly that would be a mainstay of the actual role , the diminishing size may be attributed to a myriad of factors such as smaller parks . can’t attribute incompetence to a profession where there are huge influences in place that could also be the reason 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 11 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: I would guess that doing exactly that would be a mainstay of the actual role , the diminishing size may be attributed to a myriad of factors such as smaller parks . can’t attribute incompetence to a profession where there are huge influences in place that could also be the reason Hopefully that's the case, but if there's evidence of the reduction in trophy sizes in studies of certain species then perhaps it may be a causation. I do know that many parks take in to consideration the age of individual animals, wether this is properly managed I don't know. As I said, putting more research and management in to trophy hunting can only be a good thing for the animals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,825 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Pewit said: I think you may both be wrong mate. Accurate Buffalo Trophy Assessment - Conservation Frontlines WWW.CONSERVATIONFRONTLINES.ORG The term minimalism is also used to describe a trend in design and architecture where in the subject is... Only read half of that but.....I'd say it's completely wrong. 40" bulls aren't rare these days. I've had two mates shoot buffalo bulls and both were 40". As said earlier it isn't as special now especially in south Africa where they will get supplementary feeding if needed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,598 Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 I see they have problems with wolves in the Netherlands with a child getting a nasty fright luckily only recieved scratches and a poodle being snatched off its lead . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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