Jukel's thread.

[scotty12 2,196]

12 hours ago, chartpolski said:

Ah, ok !

Ive spent some time in the UAE, my daughter did part of her schooling there and lived and worked there as a manager of corporate accounts for Barclays in Dubai.

Back then there were no taxes but they’ve followed Saudi and now have a 5% vat on certain things, there’s some other taxes like customs tax but there’s no income tax or national insurance or tax on fuel, etc. Goods were very cheap anyway so the vat didn’t really make much difference.

Things are probably more expensive now, I haven’t been for a few years since I went over to see Hamad Ghunaims saluki centre.

When I lived in Saudi there were no taxes whatsoever but there’s now 5% vat on most things, but everything is still mainly extremely cheap.

Cheers.

What's the standard of life like composted to the uk ?  I'd hazard a guess that it ain't worse that's for sure yet there paying minimum tax and getting a good quality of life 

Edited August 23, 2024 by scotty12

[chartpolski 24,139]

12 minutes ago, scotty12 said:

What's the standard of life like composted to the uk ?  I'd hazard a guess that it worse that's for sure yet there paying minimum tax and getting a good quality of life 

The standard of life in both the UAE and Saudi is great. My daughter in law and my grandson live in Saudi and their family also have property in UAE and spend some time there.

Of course you hear bad reports about how foreign workers are treated , but my family and I lived there for many years and loved it.

Cheers.

 

[Pewit 970]

17 hours ago, scotty12 said:

How does the UAE operate ? 

It's interesting you brought up the UAE, a perfect example showing how much bollocks it is to claim crime and unruliness is because of genetics. Places like Dubai and these rich middle eastern places clearly show that it's about wealth & culture. We are just seeing the worst of things, people flooding the UK from some of the poorest regions.

Edited August 23, 2024 by Pewit

[scotty12 2,196]

4 minutes ago, Pewit said:

It's interesting you brought up the UAE, a perfect example showing how much bollocks it is to claim crime and unruliness is because of genetics. Places like Dubai and these rich middle eastern places clearly show that it's about wealth & culture. We are just seeing the worst of things, people flooding the UK from some of the poorest regions.

Those poorest regions are rich with natural resources ..... answers on a post card why those regions are poor 

[Pewit 970]

1 minute ago, scotty12 said:

Those poorest regions are rich with natural resources ..... answers on a post card why those regions are poor 

I think you missed my point, that tinfoil must be too resistant, the radio waves can't penetrate. 

[WILF 47,349]

8 minutes ago, Pewit said:

It's interesting you brought up the UAE, a perfect example showing how much bollocks it is to claim crime and unruliness is because of genetics. Places like Dubai and these rich middle eastern places clearly show that it's about wealth & culture. We are just seeing the worst of things, people flooding the UK from some of the poorest regions.

If you mug an old lady in the UK, the government buys you a new leisure centre……if you do it in the Arab states they cut your hands off !

I think your answer is somewhere in there ! Lol 

[Pewit 970]

Just now, WILF said:

If you mug an old lady in the UK, the government buys you a new leisure centre……if you do it in the Arab states they cut your hands off !

I think your answer is somewhere in there ! Lol 

And in the States if you go on a mass murdering spree you will get executed, still doesn't stop people doing it does it? Lol

[scotty12 2,196]

16 minutes ago, Pewit said:

It's interesting you brought up the UAE, a perfect example showing how much bollocks it is to claim crime and unruliness is because of genetics. Places like Dubai and these rich middle eastern places clearly show that it's about wealth & culture. We are just seeing the worst of things, people flooding the UK from some of the poorest regions.

Right so you want to us to pay more tax in return you think helps public services when in fact it keeps the poor poorer and the rich richer .... 

 

stick to spotting trains mr potter 

[WILF 47,349]

8 minutes ago, Pewit said:

And in the States if you go on a mass murdering spree you will get executed, still doesn't stop people doing it does it? Lol

I think you’ve answered your own attempt at a provocative post there, thanks very much old chap. 

[Pewit 970]

Just now, WILF said:

I think you’ve answered your own attempt at a provocative post there, thanks very much old chap. 

Ever the exaggerator Mr Wilf, amputation for theft is only used in extreme examples under Sharia law, the country largely relies on the penal code. Don't let facts get in the way of a good yarn mate.

[Pewit 970]

6 minutes ago, scotty12 said:

Right so you want to us to pay more tax in return you think helps public services when in fact it keeps the poor poorer and the rich richer .... 

 

stick to spotting trains mr potter 

Diversion, a well known tactic used by conspiracy theorists, you have been trained well.

[jukel123 8,341]

Some observations having caused a row and then absented myself. Lol.

Penal laws in Nordic countries are generally not based on state vengeance or harsh punishment and their outcomes in terms of re offending are better than ours. Although it's true that criminals in countries where criminals are executed  have zero reoffending rates.Lol

I think people in the UK fight the battle of the super rich for them." It wouldn't be fair" is the excuse you hear from people who have got next to nothing and have been treated unfairly all their lives. People like me are accused of jealousy and bitterness. Call the emotion of not liking what I see and what I've experienced in terms of poverty by any name you like. It's just not right that rich people have been getting richer and the poor more poor since the eighties. We've seen our  'social wage' plummet...the NHS, the roads, libraries, dentistry  accessibility to fair rent social housing and ability for the young to purchase a house. And much more besides.

I think a lot of British apathy is caused by the UK class system. People have been trained to knuckle their foreheads as soon as they hear an upper crust accent. The toffs in turn expect the poor to jump to attention.

A concrete example from last night.

I'm on a salmon fishing beat and I received a WhatsApp message from the Eton educated riparian owner asking for the number of a good mate of mine who is also a member of the beat.

I replied that the bloke is on holiday and it wouldn't be right to disturb him about "business' out of the blue.

He wouldn't mind, says wanker Joe. Give me his number ASAP. Its very important!

I know what the problem is and believe me it can wait.

I haven't replied. Maybe I'm a reverse snob with an attitude problem as people tell me on here. In my head I just see people, who are my people, having their noses rubbed in shit. And not doing as well as people in France,Germany and Spain. Certainly nothing like the way people ate treated in the nordic countries.

The super rich now control the planet. They control politicians who ultimately decide our fate. Any fightback is going to have to be done on a global basis.

On that note I see there is talk about about a global alliance demanding wealth taxes on the super rich in every country. The same needs to be done with regard to global businesses like Amazon. It's a long way off but that is the way we should be thinking imo. That and a government income for every citizen.  It's not as pie _eyed as doubters think.

 

 

[scotty12 2,196]

10 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Some observations having caused a row and then absented myself. Lol.

Penal laws in Nordic countries are generally not based on state vengeance or harsh punishment and their outcomes in terms of re offending are better than ours. Although it's true that criminals in countries where criminals are executed  have zero reoffending rates.Lol

I think people in the UK fight the battle of the super rich for them." It wouldn't be fair" is the excuse you hear from people who have got next to nothing and have been treated unfairly all their lives. People like me are accused of jealousy and bitterness. Call the emotion of not liking what I see and what I've experienced in terms of poverty by any name you like. It's just not right that rich people have been getting richer and the poor more poor since the eighties. We've seen our  'social wage' plummet...the NHS, the roads, libraries, dentistry  accessibility to fair rent social housing and ability for the young to purchase a house. And much more besides.

I think a lot of British apathy is caused by the UK class system. People have been trained to knuckle their foreheads as soon as they hear an upper crust accent. The toffs in turn expect the poor to jump to attention.

A concrete example from last night.

I'm on a salmon fishing beat and I received a WhatsApp message from the Eton educated riparian owner asking for the number of a good mate of mine who is also a member of the beat.

I replied that the bloke is on holiday and it wouldn't be right to disturb him about "business' out of the blue.

He wouldn't mind, says wanker Joe. Give me his number ASAP. Its very important!

I know what the problem is and believe me it can wait.

I haven't replied. Maybe I'm a reverse snob with an attitude problem as people tell me on here. In my head I just see people, who are my people, having their noses rubbed in shit. And not doing as well as people in France,Germany and Spain. Certainly nothing like the way people ate treated in the nordic countries.

The super rich now control the planet. They control politicians who ultimately decide our fate. Any fightback is going to have to be done on a global basis.

On that note I see there is talk about about a global alliance demanding wealth taxes on the super rich in every country. The same needs to be done with regard to global businesses like Amazon. It's a long way off but that is the way we should be thinking imo. That and a government income for every citizen.  It's not as pie _eyed as doubters think.

 

 

Where were you fishing jukel ? 

[WILF 47,349]

12 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Some observations having caused a row and then absented myself. Lol.

Penal laws in Nordic countries are generally not based on state vengeance or harsh punishment and their outcomes in terms of re offending are better than ours. Although it's true that criminals in countries where criminals are executed  have zero reoffending rates.Lol

I think people in the UK fight the battle of the super rich for them." It wouldn't be fair" is the excuse you hear from people who have got next to nothing and have been treated unfairly all their lives. People like me are accused of jealousy and bitterness. Call the emotion of not liking what I see and what I've experienced in terms of poverty by any name you like. It's just not right that rich people have been getting richer and the poor more poor since the eighties. We've seen our  'social wage' plummet...the NHS, the roads, libraries, dentistry  accessibility to fair rent social housing and ability for the young to purchase a house. And much more besides.

I think a lot of British apathy is caused by the UK class system. People have been trained to knuckle their foreheads as soon as they hear an upper crust accent. The toffs in turn expect the poor to jump to attention.

A concrete example from last night.

I'm on a salmon fishing beat and I received a WhatsApp message from the Eton educated riparian owner asking for the number of a good mate of mine who is also a member of the beat.

I replied that the bloke is on holiday and it wouldn't be right to disturb him about "business' out of the blue.

He wouldn't mind, says wanker Joe. Give me his number ASAP. Its very important!

I know what the problem is and believe me it can wait.

I haven't replied. Maybe I'm a reverse snob with an attitude problem as people tell me on here. In my head I just see people, who are my people, having their noses rubbed in shit. And not doing as well as people in France,Germany and Spain. Certainly nothing like the way people ate treated in the nordic countries.

The super rich now control the planet. They control politicians who ultimately decide our fate. Any fightback is going to have to be done on a global basis.

On that note I see there is talk about about a global alliance demanding wealth taxes on the super rich in every country. The same needs to be done with regard to global businesses like Amazon. It's a long way off but that is the way we should be thinking imo. That and a government income for every citizen.  It's not as pie _eyed as doubters think.

 

 

I have always believed you should be comfortable in the company of cabbages and kings, I’ve never understood having a chip about class.

Ive sat for an hour and had a cup of tea with tramps that smell like a cats been pissing on then for 20 year and they ain’t seen a bar of soap ever and I’ve chatted to peers of the realm who boast the King as a personal friend……and I never felt in the least bit different either time and they were both absolutely top notch……nice, interesting people in their own way.

Society was awkward with both these people and they were just like me and you…….if someone is trying to have one over on you then their bank account is irrelevant imho mate 

[WILF 47,349]

On 22/08/2024 at 16:10, Pewit said:

I don't think everyone would agree that it's fair. You didn't a few days ago when you were defending those on benefits that could possibly work and pointing out the fact that the bigwigs were out making a killing.

You are completely ignoring the fact that if you taxed everyone equally those at the bottom would suffer and there would be an even bigger divide between the rich & poor.

Imho, the problem with this statement is that you are thinking from the top and working down…..which is what we do because that is what the system does.

You have to, again just my opinion, think about it from a baseline…..think about everyone starting from the same place and then decide what makes sense.

So, in the case of Tax we have a government mindset of “what’s the maximum we can take and spend it on” where as actually it should be the exact opposite in order to provide everyone with better opportunities to enhance their financial security and in doing so their life. 
 

So let’s start with, everything is free so everyone should have enough……well in reality everything isn’t free so people have to earn.

So then the next best thing is to allow everyone to earn the maximum for their effort and according to their ability……in theory, it offers equality of opportunity.

A bloke who has the intellect to be a rocket scientist will have equality amongst other similar people same as a bloke with the intellect to be a road sweeper will have equality amongst road sweepers……but here’s the thing, we ain’t going to punish them if they want to study and become a rocket scientist and we have given him the incentive to work hard, earn more and fund his education and allowed him to keep the benefits when he achieves it.

He has asked the state for nothing, he has not been a burden and he is invested in his life and by default the life of the wider community.

That isnt what we do now…….what we do now is keep people down and rob them of billions in tax, by borrowing non existent money (selling our citizens into debt) and wasting it all……in that system I will always advocate to look after those who have been kept down by the system, if we are throwing it around like water then I insist the victims get a tiny little bit of it. 

There will always be workers and bosses, always has, always will…..but this mindset of “Don’t allow people the chance of beef, just let everyone have spam” and as long as they all have a little spam then that’s fine holds people and by default society back.

Its engineered that 6 people will always have beef and everyone else will be on spam forever……it’s not coincidence that rich people used to set up schools to enhance their workforce, a bloke could come from a family of farm labourers and end up owning a mill and that was good for everything and everybody, now they just want to keep him a farm labourer by selling him a house he can’t afford on wages that are barely enough and taxing him to the max….he is never escaping and the 6 people keep eating beef.