What makes us British?

[WILF 47,201]

1 hour ago, Pewit said:

Again, there's no such thing as an English citizen you backwards twat! 

Try and gain ENGLISH citizenship and see how far that gets you.

I am a British citizen and also an Englishman, but according to your stupid logic, I can't possibly be English because I have Irish blood in me, just like Thompson has Scottish and Nigerian blood in his ancestry.

Whilst you're there I'd check your own bloodline cos being that thick you must have Mongol DNA somewhere. Lol

Did you feed the ducks during lesson time?

This is where the water gets muddy, “English” is not as far as I’m aware an ethnic group, same as welsh, Irish, Scots etc…..those classifications are only about a thousand years old and, for want of a better word, Tribal.

Its like saying I’m West Ham or Manchester United.

The home nations didn’t even exist before around the 900s…..they hadn’t even been thought up, indeed the “nation state” hadn’t even been invented. 
 

You are first and foremost white Europeans and then there is probably some shared DNA traits to narrow you down into areas of Europe (Celts, Britons,Francs, Germanic, Nordic etc) 

The ancient barrows in Ireland are distinctly different as you travel from North to South, the ones in the north being built by Pictish migrating tribes and then different migrating tribes of Britons and Celts as you move down what we know as “mainland Britain” who also migrated west (technically speaking, it’s all the British isles but we won’t go there ! Lol ) 

It’s not possible to be black and be a true European, same as it’s not possible to be white and be a true African……and if you are a mixture of the two you are neither one nor the other…..same as a greyhound mated with a poodle is no longer one nor the other. 
It’s not good, bad, wrong or right…..it is just a fact.

However what you do see as I’m sure anyone who has traveled anywhere will see is distinct differences in culture and “ways of being” between what would have been different tribal areas in Europe and indeed the world…..racial instinct and then, more narrowly, tribal instinct.

Hence the Irish and Ireland are very different from the English in lots of ways, as are the Welsh, Scots, French, Germans…..lots of shared stuff but subtle differences that make them unique. 
I don’t know if you put that down to genetic or social differences but they are different and that’s a much more in depth and wider conversation. 
 

I believe that to be a deeply ingrained safety mechanism to preserve the group, I don’t know how true that is but it’s what makes sense to me…..we see it everywhere else in the animal kingdom so why should we be exempt. 
 

Nowhere else in nature will you see a group of animals intent on destroying its own genetic group or territory, it’s only “clever” humans do that and it’s seems that it’s only not valued amongst humans as well…..we value it in every other species. 
 

A monkey or a lion won’t be stopping to consider what makes them a monkey or a lion, it’s obvious what they are and they are what they are……that’s how they survive. 

[Bakerboy 4,736]

8 minutes ago, WILF said:

This is where the water gets muddy, “English” is not as far as I’m aware an ethnic group, same as welsh, Irish, Scots etc…..those classifications are only about a thousand years old and, for want of a better word, Tribal.

Its like saying I’m West Ham or Manchester United.

The home nations didn’t even exist before around the 900s…..they hadn’t even been thought up, indeed the “nation state” hadn’t even been invented. 
 

You are first and foremost white Europeans and then there is probably some shared DNA traits to narrow you down into areas of Europe (Celts, Britons,Francs, Germanic, Nordic etc) 

The ancient barrows in Ireland are distinctly different as you travel from North to South, the ones in the north being built by Pictish migrating tribes and then different migrating tribes of Britons and Celts as you move down what we know as “mainland Britain” who also migrated west (technically speaking, it’s all the British isles but we won’t go there ! Lol ) 

It’s not possible to be black and be a true European, same as it’s not possible to be white and be a true African……and if you are a mixture of the two you are neither one nor the other…..same as a greyhound mated with a poodle is no longer one nor the other. 
It’s not good, bad, wrong or right…..it is just a fact.

However what you do see as I’m sure anyone who has traveled anywhere will see is distinct differences in culture and “ways of being” between what would have been different tribal areas in Europe and indeed the world…..racial instinct and then, more narrowly, tribal instinct.

Hence the Irish and Ireland are very different from the English in lots of ways, as are the Welsh, Scots, French, Germans…..lots of shared stuff but subtle differences that make them unique. 
I don’t know if you put that down to genetic or social differences but they are different and that’s a much more in depth and wider conversation. 
 

I believe that to be a deeply ingrained safety mechanism to preserve the group, I don’t know how true that is but it’s what makes sense to me…..we see it everywhere else in the animal kingdom so why should we be exempt. 
 

Nowhere else in nature will you see a group of animals intent on destroying its own genetic group or territory, it’s only “clever” humans do that and it’s seems that it’s only not valued amongst humans as well…..we value it in every other species. 
 

A monkey or a lion won’t be stopping to consider what makes them a monkey or a lion, it’s obvious what they are and they are what they are……that’s how they survive. 

Very well put

[Pewit 970]

19 minutes ago, WILF said:

This is where the water gets muddy, “English” is not as far as I’m aware an ethnic group, same as welsh, Irish, Scots etc…..those classifications are only about a thousand years old and, for want of a better word, Tribal.

Its like saying I’m West Ham or Manchester United.

The home nations didn’t even exist before around the 900s…..they hadn’t even been thought up, indeed the “nation state” hadn’t even been invented. 
 

You are first and foremost white Europeans and then there is probably some shared DNA traits to narrow you down into areas of Europe (Celts, Britons,Francs, Germanic, Nordic etc) 

The ancient barrows in Ireland are distinctly different as you travel from North to South, the ones in the north being built by Pictish migrating tribes and then different migrating tribes of Britons and Celts as you move down what we know as “mainland Britain” who also migrated west (technically speaking, it’s all the British isles but we won’t go there ! Lol ) 

It’s not possible to be black and be a true European, same as it’s not possible to be white and be a true African……and if you are a mixture of the two you are neither one nor the other…..same as a greyhound mated with a poodle is no longer one nor the other. 
It’s not good, bad, wrong or right…..it is just a fact.

However what you do see as I’m sure anyone who has traveled anywhere will see is distinct differences in culture and “ways of being” between what would have been different tribal areas in Europe and indeed the world…..racial instinct and then, more narrowly, tribal instinct.

Hence the Irish and Ireland are very different from the English in lots of ways, as are the Welsh, Scots, French, Germans…..lots of shared stuff but subtle differences that make them unique. 
I don’t know if you put that down to genetic or social differences but they are different and that’s a much more in depth and wider conversation. 
 

I believe that to be a deeply ingrained safety mechanism to preserve the group, I don’t know how true that is but it’s what makes sense to me…..we see it everywhere else in the animal kingdom so why should we be exempt. 
 

Nowhere else in nature will you see a group of animals intent on destroying its own genetic group or territory, it’s only “clever” humans do that and it’s seems that it’s only not valued amongst humans as well…..we value it in every other species. 
 

A monkey or a lion won’t be stopping to consider what makes them a monkey or a lion, it’s obvious what they are and they are what they are……that’s how they survive. 

I disagree, mate, the English are an ethnic group, the same as the Scottish & the Irish. But, you don't necessarily have to be genetically English, Irish or Scottish to label yourself as an Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman. If that was the case, you, me and many others on here wouldn't be true English, Scottish or Irish. Birthplace, culture, language, values and identity matter. Just to clarify, ethnicity isn't entirely about genetics, it's the whole spectrum.

The differences you talk of are cultural, nothing more, if that wasn't the case, you could take an Irish family over the pond and you'd forever be able to distinguish that family from the English, that's not the case, forgetting the name, Wayne Rooney is as English as they come.

As for European blood, you would never label a Spanish man as British, the same for an Italian, yes, we share ancestry, but go back even further and we share ancestry with black Africans.

Edited August 3, 2024 by Pewit

[WILF 47,201]

1 minute ago, Pewit said:

I disagree, mate, the English are an ethnic group, the same as the Scottish & the Irish. But, you don't necessarily have to be genetically English, Irish or Scottish to label yourself as an Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman. If that was the case, you, me and many others on here wouldn't be true English, Scottish or Irish. Birthplace, culture, language, values and identity matter. Just to clarify, ethnicity isn't entirely about genetics, it's the whole spectrum.

I won’t argue the point with you because if that’s what you believe then that’s fine, I believe something different because I know the ages of the countrys we call the home nations…..1200 years ago, if I had said to you “You are from England” you would have answered “Whats an England ?” 
You would have had no clue what I was talking about because it didn’t exist. 

[Pewit 970]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

I won’t argue the point with you because if that’s what you believe then that’s fine, I believe something different because I know the ages of the countrys we call the home nations…..1200 years ago, if I had said to you “You are from England” you would have answered “Whats an England ?” 
You would have had no clue what I was talking about because it didn’t exist. 

I'm not sure what you are arguing against though, you agree with me that the English are a people, the same as the Irish & Scots. Yes, we are now a mixed bunch but at some point we had unique identities even if, like you say, we have European blood. 

As you probably know, even for much of the early Anglo-Saxon settlement, the people were hardly a united group.

[Lenmcharristar 9,814]

18 minutes ago, Pewit said:

I disagree, mate, the English are an ethnic group, the same as the Scottish & the Irish. But, you don't necessarily have to be genetically English, Irish or Scottish to label yourself as an Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman. If that was the case, you, me and many others on here wouldn't be true English, Scottish or Irish. Birthplace, culture, language, values and identity matter. Just to clarify, ethnicity isn't entirely about genetics, it's the whole spectrum.

The differences you talk of are cultural, nothing more, if that wasn't the case, you could take an Irish family over the pond and you'd forever be able to distinguish that family from the English, that's not the case, forgetting the name, Wayne Rooney is as English as they come.

As for European blood, you would never label a Spanish man as British, the same for an Italian, yes, we share ancestry, but go back even further and we share ancestry with black Africans.

We are not from africa ffs

[Pewit 970]

1 minute ago, Lenmcharristar said:

We are not from africa ffs

Back to school mate.

[Lenmcharristar 9,814]

Just now, Pewit said:

Back to school mate.

No, thats your beliefs, if adam and eve were put into the garden of eden then we are defo not african, the garden of eden was in iraq not umbongo land, modern humans from asam down were not african

[Pewit 970]

Just now, Lenmcharristar said:

No, thats your beliefs, if adam and eve were put into the garden of eden then we are defo not african, the garden of eden was in iraq not umbongo land, modern humans from asam down were not african

I take it you also believe people rise from the dead and they can part the sea if they so wish. Hahaha

[WILF 47,201]

12 minutes ago, Pewit said:

I'm not sure what you are arguing against though, you agree with me that the English are a people, the same as the Irish & Scots. Yes, we are now a mixed bunch but at some point we had unique identities even if, like you say, we have European blood. 

As you probably know, even for much of the early Anglo-Saxon settlement, the people were hardly a united group.

England are a club, Europeans are a genetic group.

But for the purposes of simplifying conversations then it’s easier to say Englishmen are white (which would be a truism) because it’s only in very, very, very recent history we have been committing genetic, social and cultural suicide in that group…..prior to 1947 we would have followed a fairly distinct path give or take. 
 

If I say “Have you seen so & so, he is a Nigerian” absolutely nobody is asking me to qualify exactly what makes up a genetic Nigerian……they just immediately picture a big black dude, end of story.

It should be exactly  the same if I say “Englishman, Welshman, Scotsman”……a white dude, we all know what we mean, it’s only us daft c**ts want to buy into qualifying it and that is a very recent propaganda win for those who want to make us doubt this stuff. 

Edited August 3, 2024 by WILF

[Lenmcharristar 9,814]

1 minute ago, Pewit said:

I take it you also believe people rise from the dead and they can part the sea if they so wish. Hahaha

I believe in the bible and the creation but dont believe we came from wogs, how did that ever happen when theyre too feckin lazy to make proper houses never mind anything else or travel the world, no i believe we are didferent

[mC HULL 12,833]

3 minutes ago, Pewit said:

I take it you also believe people rise from the dead and they can part the sea if they so wish. Hahaha

and i suppose you think we came from africa and monkeys lol

[Pewit 970]

1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

and i suppose you think we came from africa and monkeys lol

I rest my case.

 

 

[hot dog 133]

3 minutes ago, Pewit said:

I rest my case.

 

 

What makes us British according to you.?

[mC HULL 12,833]

Just now, Pewit said:

I rest my case.

 

 

well if we came from chimps and africans the further we got away from them the higher iq we got lol shame yours is still that of a sub saharan lol