WILF 48,206 Posted August 3, 2024 Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 06:48, Pewit said: Again, there's no such thing as an English citizen you backwards twat! Try and gain ENGLISH citizenship and see how far that gets you. I am a British citizen and also an Englishman, but according to your stupid logic, I can't possibly be English because I have Irish blood in me, just like Thompson has Scottish and Nigerian blood in his ancestry. Whilst you're there I'd check your own bloodline cos being that thick you must have Mongol DNA somewhere. Lol Did you feed the ducks during lesson time? Expand This is where the water gets muddy, âEnglishâ is not as far as Iâm aware an ethnic group, same as welsh, Irish, Scots etcâŚ..those classifications are only about a thousand years old and, for want of a better word, Tribal. Its like saying Iâm West Ham or Manchester United. The home nations didnât even exist before around the 900sâŚ..they hadnât even been thought up, indeed the ânation stateâ hadnât even been invented. You are first and foremost white Europeans and then there is probably some shared DNA traits to narrow you down into areas of Europe (Celts, Britons,Francs, Germanic, Nordic etc) The ancient barrows in Ireland are distinctly different as you travel from North to South, the ones in the north being built by Pictish migrating tribes and then different migrating tribes of Britons and Celts as you move down what we know as âmainland Britainâ who also migrated west (technically speaking, itâs all the British isles but we wonât go there ! Lol ) Itâs not possible to be black and be a true European, same as itâs not possible to be white and be a true AfricanâŚâŚand if you are a mixture of the two you are neither one nor the otherâŚ..same as a greyhound mated with a poodle is no longer one nor the other. Itâs not good, bad, wrong or rightâŚ..it is just a fact. However what you do see as Iâm sure anyone who has traveled anywhere will see is distinct differences in culture and âways of beingâ between what would have been different tribal areas in Europe and indeed the worldâŚ..racial instinct and then, more narrowly, tribal instinct. Hence the Irish and Ireland are very different from the English in lots of ways, as are the Welsh, Scots, French, GermansâŚ..lots of shared stuff but subtle differences that make them unique. I donât know if you put that down to genetic or social differences but they are different and thatâs a much more in depth and wider conversation. I believe that to be a deeply ingrained safety mechanism to preserve the group, I donât know how true that is but itâs what makes sense to meâŚ..we see it everywhere else in the animal kingdom so why should we be exempt. Nowhere else in nature will you see a group of animals intent on destroying its own genetic group or territory, itâs only âcleverâ humans do that and itâs seems that itâs only not valued amongst humans as wellâŚ..we value it in every other species. A monkey or a lion wonât be stopping to consider what makes them a monkey or a lion, itâs obvious what they are and they are what they areâŚâŚthatâs how they survive. 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bakerboy 4,736 Posted August 3, 2024 Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 08:18, WILF said: This is where the water gets muddy, âEnglishâ is not as far as Iâm aware an ethnic group, same as welsh, Irish, Scots etcâŚ..those classifications are only about a thousand years old and, for want of a better word, Tribal. Its like saying Iâm West Ham or Manchester United. The home nations didnât even exist before around the 900sâŚ..they hadnât even been thought up, indeed the ânation stateâ hadnât even been invented. You are first and foremost white Europeans and then there is probably some shared DNA traits to narrow you down into areas of Europe (Celts, Britons,Francs, Germanic, Nordic etc) The ancient barrows in Ireland are distinctly different as you travel from North to South, the ones in the north being built by Pictish migrating tribes and then different migrating tribes of Britons and Celts as you move down what we know as âmainland Britainâ who also migrated west (technically speaking, itâs all the British isles but we wonât go there ! Lol ) Itâs not possible to be black and be a true European, same as itâs not possible to be white and be a true AfricanâŚâŚand if you are a mixture of the two you are neither one nor the otherâŚ..same as a greyhound mated with a poodle is no longer one nor the other. Itâs not good, bad, wrong or rightâŚ..it is just a fact. However what you do see as Iâm sure anyone who has traveled anywhere will see is distinct differences in culture and âways of beingâ between what would have been different tribal areas in Europe and indeed the worldâŚ..racial instinct and then, more narrowly, tribal instinct. Hence the Irish and Ireland are very different from the English in lots of ways, as are the Welsh, Scots, French, GermansâŚ..lots of shared stuff but subtle differences that make them unique. I donât know if you put that down to genetic or social differences but they are different and thatâs a much more in depth and wider conversation. I believe that to be a deeply ingrained safety mechanism to preserve the group, I donât know how true that is but itâs what makes sense to meâŚ..we see it everywhere else in the animal kingdom so why should we be exempt. Nowhere else in nature will you see a group of animals intent on destroying its own genetic group or territory, itâs only âcleverâ humans do that and itâs seems that itâs only not valued amongst humans as wellâŚ..we value it in every other species. A monkey or a lion wonât be stopping to consider what makes them a monkey or a lion, itâs obvious what they are and they are what they areâŚâŚthatâs how they survive. Expand Very well put 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 971 Posted August 3, 2024 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 (edited) On 03/08/2024 at 08:18, WILF said: This is where the water gets muddy, âEnglishâ is not as far as Iâm aware an ethnic group, same as welsh, Irish, Scots etcâŚ..those classifications are only about a thousand years old and, for want of a better word, Tribal. Its like saying Iâm West Ham or Manchester United. The home nations didnât even exist before around the 900sâŚ..they hadnât even been thought up, indeed the ânation stateâ hadnât even been invented. You are first and foremost white Europeans and then there is probably some shared DNA traits to narrow you down into areas of Europe (Celts, Britons,Francs, Germanic, Nordic etc) The ancient barrows in Ireland are distinctly different as you travel from North to South, the ones in the north being built by Pictish migrating tribes and then different migrating tribes of Britons and Celts as you move down what we know as âmainland Britainâ who also migrated west (technically speaking, itâs all the British isles but we wonât go there ! Lol ) Itâs not possible to be black and be a true European, same as itâs not possible to be white and be a true AfricanâŚâŚand if you are a mixture of the two you are neither one nor the otherâŚ..same as a greyhound mated with a poodle is no longer one nor the other. Itâs not good, bad, wrong or rightâŚ..it is just a fact. However what you do see as Iâm sure anyone who has traveled anywhere will see is distinct differences in culture and âways of beingâ between what would have been different tribal areas in Europe and indeed the worldâŚ..racial instinct and then, more narrowly, tribal instinct. Hence the Irish and Ireland are very different from the English in lots of ways, as are the Welsh, Scots, French, GermansâŚ..lots of shared stuff but subtle differences that make them unique. I donât know if you put that down to genetic or social differences but they are different and thatâs a much more in depth and wider conversation. I believe that to be a deeply ingrained safety mechanism to preserve the group, I donât know how true that is but itâs what makes sense to meâŚ..we see it everywhere else in the animal kingdom so why should we be exempt. Nowhere else in nature will you see a group of animals intent on destroying its own genetic group or territory, itâs only âcleverâ humans do that and itâs seems that itâs only not valued amongst humans as wellâŚ..we value it in every other species. A monkey or a lion wonât be stopping to consider what makes them a monkey or a lion, itâs obvious what they are and they are what they areâŚâŚthatâs how they survive. Expand I disagree, mate, the English are an ethnic group, the same as the Scottish & the Irish. But, you don't necessarily have to be genetically English, Irish or Scottish to label yourself as an Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman. If that was the case, you, me and many others on here wouldn't be true English, Scottish or Irish. Birthplace, culture, language, values and identity matter. Just to clarify, ethnicity isn't entirely about genetics, it's the whole spectrum. The differences you talk of are cultural, nothing more, if that wasn't the case, you could take an Irish family over the pond and you'd forever be able to distinguish that family from the English, that's not the case, forgetting the name, Wayne Rooney is as English as they come. As for European blood, you would never label a Spanish man as British, the same for an Italian, yes, we share ancestry, but go back even further and we share ancestry with black Africans. Edited August 3, 2024 by Pewit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,206 Posted August 3, 2024 Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 08:31, Pewit said: I disagree, mate, the English are an ethnic group, the same as the Scottish & the Irish. But, you don't necessarily have to be genetically English, Irish or Scottish to label yourself as an Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman. If that was the case, you, me and many others on here wouldn't be true English, Scottish or Irish. Birthplace, culture, language, values and identity matter. Just to clarify, ethnicity isn't entirely about genetics, it's the whole spectrum. Expand I wonât argue the point with you because if thatâs what you believe then thatâs fine, I believe something different because I know the ages of the countrys we call the home nationsâŚ..1200 years ago, if I had said to you âYou are from Englandâ you would have answered âWhats an England ?â You would have had no clue what I was talking about because it didnât exist. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 971 Posted August 3, 2024 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 08:43, WILF said: I wonât argue the point with you because if thatâs what you believe then thatâs fine, I believe something different because I know the ages of the countrys we call the home nationsâŚ..1200 years ago, if I had said to you âYou are from Englandâ you would have answered âWhats an England ?â You would have had no clue what I was talking about because it didnât exist. Expand I'm not sure what you are arguing against though, you agree with me that the English are a people, the same as the Irish & Scots. Yes, we are now a mixed bunch but at some point we had unique identities even if, like you say, we have European blood. As you probably know, even for much of the early Anglo-Saxon settlement, the people were hardly a united group. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,967 Posted August 3, 2024 Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 08:31, Pewit said: I disagree, mate, the English are an ethnic group, the same as the Scottish & the Irish. But, you don't necessarily have to be genetically English, Irish or Scottish to label yourself as an Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman. If that was the case, you, me and many others on here wouldn't be true English, Scottish or Irish. Birthplace, culture, language, values and identity matter. Just to clarify, ethnicity isn't entirely about genetics, it's the whole spectrum. The differences you talk of are cultural, nothing more, if that wasn't the case, you could take an Irish family over the pond and you'd forever be able to distinguish that family from the English, that's not the case, forgetting the name, Wayne Rooney is as English as they come. As for European blood, you would never label a Spanish man as British, the same for an Italian, yes, we share ancestry, but go back even further and we share ancestry with black Africans. Expand We are not from africa ffs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 971 Posted August 3, 2024 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 08:50, Lenmcharristar said: We are not from africa ffs Expand Back to school mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,967 Posted August 3, 2024 Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 08:51, Pewit said: Back to school mate. Expand No, thats your beliefs, if adam and eve were put into the garden of eden then we are defo not african, the garden of eden was in iraq not umbongo land, modern humans from asam down were not african Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 971 Posted August 3, 2024 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 08:54, Lenmcharristar said: No, thats your beliefs, if adam and eve were put into the garden of eden then we are defo not african, the garden of eden was in iraq not umbongo land, modern humans from asam down were not african Expand I take it you also believe people rise from the dead and they can part the sea if they so wish. Hahaha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,206 Posted August 3, 2024 Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 (edited) On 03/08/2024 at 08:49, Pewit said: I'm not sure what you are arguing against though, you agree with me that the English are a people, the same as the Irish & Scots. Yes, we are now a mixed bunch but at some point we had unique identities even if, like you say, we have European blood. As you probably know, even for much of the early Anglo-Saxon settlement, the people were hardly a united group. Expand England are a club, Europeans are a genetic group. But for the purposes of simplifying conversations then itâs easier to say Englishmen are white (which would be a truism) because itâs only in very, very, very recent history we have been committing genetic, social and cultural suicide in that groupâŚ..prior to 1947 we would have followed a fairly distinct path give or take. If I say âHave you seen so & so, he is a Nigerianâ absolutely nobody is asking me to qualify exactly what makes up a genetic NigerianâŚâŚthey just immediately picture a big black dude, end of story. It should be exactly the same if I say âEnglishman, Welshman, ScotsmanââŚâŚa white dude, we all know what we mean, itâs only us daft c**ts want to buy into qualifying it and that is a very recent propaganda win for those who want to make us doubt this stuff. Edited August 3, 2024 by WILF 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,967 Posted August 3, 2024 Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 08:55, Pewit said: I take it you also believe people rise from the dead and they can part the sea if they so wish. Hahaha Expand I believe in the bible and the creation but dont believe we came from wogs, how did that ever happen when theyre too feckin lazy to make proper houses never mind anything else or travel the world, no i believe we are didferent 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 14,162 Posted August 3, 2024 Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 08:55, Pewit said: I take it you also believe people rise from the dead and they can part the sea if they so wish. Hahaha Expand and i suppose you think we came from africa and monkeys lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 971 Posted August 3, 2024 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 08:59, mC HULL said: and i suppose you think we came from africa and monkeys lol Expand I rest my case. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hot dog 133 Posted August 3, 2024 Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 09:03, Pewit said: I rest my case. Expand What makes us British according to you.? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 14,162 Posted August 3, 2024 Report Share Posted August 3, 2024 On 03/08/2024 at 09:03, Pewit said: I rest my case. Expand well if we came from chimps and africans the further we got away from them the higher iq we got lol shame yours is still that of a sub saharan lol 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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