WILF 46,495 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 3 minutes ago, Daniel cain said: If you dont like prison and the idea of losing your imaginary freedoms...then You play the game and keep your nose clean...it really is that simple... You are an angler, you are a worker of terriers……if they banned fishing tomorrow would you just take all your kit to the tip and say nothing mate ? Because I don’t think, having read your posts on here for years, that a lad like you would……if I had to sit in yet another U.K. traffic jam same as I have for most of my life because you felt a bit aggrieved and wanted to protest about it, should you get 5 years behind the door and your life absolutely destroyed ? Because I don’t think you should…..but it’s seems plenty of lads here would like to see you get exactly that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,042 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Perhaps the sentences are actually a huge win for these people, it has divided opinion and made them a talking point again, that's all you crave I suppose when you are campaigning (to stay relevant and in the public concious).. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted July 21 Author Report Share Posted July 21 Just now, NEWKID said: Agree mate, this new climate "war" is built on impossibilities, half truths and out right bullshit, we all know that, electric transportation is a pipe dream..perhaps in inner cities but logistically world wide, even nationwide a non starter...our reliance on fossil fuels is here for good...I've said before on here we were talking with EDF about the diesel generators at Hinkleigh point, potentially using our systems to reduce the carbon out put...15k diesel generators of various sizes to "back up" the green energy production...smoke and mirrors mate It's not though really is it mate, the scientific community and peer reviewed studies are universal, climate change is real. But again, that doesn't mean that we have good policies or a clear plan to combat it, but maybe that's because the elites aren't interested? At some point they will have to face the music mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borr 5,701 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 I'd say any march isn't going to bring a prison sentence, I'd also say that the government won't change anything because of just stop oils antics... I'd also be interested to know if they were flirting with some more serious ideas, also you can't expect security from terrorism if you've got people throwing powder about at public events . It looks like the sentence will be reexamined and probably reduced. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 44,915 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 If you decide to jump in your motor,and drive around like a twat and kill someone..you run the risk of being caught....you take the punishment,I dont personally think that 2 yrs for causing deaths by dangerous driving is enough ...what about those families that have lost a loved one? Every action,has a repercussion, folks need to man the f**k up and take responsibilities for their actions...it really is that black and white to me...5 yrs will give you enough time to have a little think,and sort your f***ing shit out...if not,then f**k the muppets 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,495 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 4 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Perhaps the sentences are actually a huge win for these people, it has divided opinion and made them a talking point again, that's all you crave I suppose when you are campaigning (to stay relevant and in the public concious).. On a wider note, that’s not a bad thought mate. Probably don’t feel like a win for those getting locked up in the nick with a load of animals though ! Lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,042 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Pewit said: It's not though really is it mate, the scientific community and peer reviewed studies are universal, climate change is real. But again, that doesn't mean that we have good policies or a clear plan to combat it, but maybe that's because the elites aren't interested? At some point they will have to face the music mate. I'd say there are half truths and some facts, and lots of bullshit.. humans are polluters of the highest level, no doubt, from dumping our waste in the sea to pillaging forests and land to cover in concrete or burn, we ruin and destroy.. I like Greymans ideal of mother nature will eventually take control, we can't beat that in the end.. what we must realise is every man made solution to every man made problem revolves around money...the problem was sold to us (diesel, coal, etc) now the solutions are being sold to us (solar, heat source, electric vehicles).. unfortunately the solution is never going to completely eradicate the problem...the fact is we can't survive now without fossil fuels, our whole infrastructure is built around it... Edited July 21 by NEWKID 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,495 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, Borr said: I'd say any march isn't going to bring a prison sentence, I'd also say that the government won't change anything because of just stop oils antics... I'd also be interested to know if they were flirting with some more serious ideas, also you can't expect security from terrorism if you've got people throwing powder about at public events . It looks like the sentence will be reexamined and probably reduced. Again mate, nobody cares what YOU think is going to bring a prison sentence, do the research, it’s whatever the police commander on the ground (and his government bosses) decide it is at any given moment on the day……. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,042 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 4 minutes ago, Daniel cain said: If you decide to jump in your motor,and drive around like a twat and kill someone..you run the risk of being caught....you take the punishment,I dont personally think that 2 yrs for causing deaths by dangerous driving is enough ...what about those families that have lost a loved one? Every action,has a repercussion, folks need to man the f**k up and take responsibilities for their actions...it really is that black and white to me...5 yrs will give you enough time to have a little think,and sort your f***ing shit out...if not,then f**k the muppets I think any sentence should match the crime mate, you're quite right if you are willing to commit an offence expect the consequences... If I murdered someone I'd expect to do life, if a robbed a shop I'd expect 5 maybe 10 years, if assaulted someone maybe 12 months etc.. If i sat in a road in what was a disruption and a ball ache for everyone, but in the main peaceful, I would not expect 5 years... P.s I've not read what the charges were, I'm only going on what was on here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 44,915 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 5 minutes ago, WILF said: You are an angler, you are a worker of terriers……if they banned fishing tomorrow would you just take all your kit to the tip and say nothing mate ? Because I don’t think, having read your posts on here for years, that a lad like you would……if I had to sit in yet another U.K. traffic jam same as I have for most of my life because you felt a bit aggrieved and wanted to protest about it, should you get 5 years behind the door and your life absolutely destroyed ? Because I don’t think you should…..but it’s seems plenty of lads here would like to see you get exactly that. I Would carry on looking over my shoulder,and pick my moves( have done since the ban)When I was out digging every week or running a dog,I was actively breaking the law...I knew the risks,And I honestly didnt give 2 fucks,If I had my collar felt,then you take it on the chin,not go ratting out others and crying like a bitch.. You take responsibilities for your actions,good or bad,because that just life Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,495 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 6 minutes ago, Daniel cain said: If you decide to jump in your motor,and drive around like a twat and kill someone..you run the risk of being caught....you take the punishment,I dont personally think that 2 yrs for causing deaths by dangerous driving is enough ...what about those families that have lost a loved one? Every action,has a repercussion, folks need to man the f**k up and take responsibilities for their actions...it really is that black and white to me...5 yrs will give you enough time to have a little think,and sort your f***ing shit out...if not,then f**k the muppets But they didn’t do any of those things, they stopped some traffic and put powder paint on some stones…… If anyone believes that any more people (or indeed any people) died in ambulances more than any other day because of these protests then they are thick as shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,124 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 16 minutes ago, Pewit said: But we can and still have a big influence on others, no? Isn't it a collective issue, if we can set a good example it may sway others in to taking action in the future? Isn't that the idea of protest, to try and make political change and push for solutions? Climate change is a giant tax,maybe if they stopped trying manipulate the weather through geo engineering we would be gran,the trees an plants thrive with more co2,which equates to more oxygen for us to breath mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borr 5,701 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 5 minutes ago, WILF said: Again mate, nobody cares what YOU think is going to bring a prison sentence, do the research, it’s whatever the police commander on the ground (and his government bosses) decide it is at any given moment on the day……. I'm going on all the recent marches ie ,st George's , Muslims for Palestine , etc what do we need to research Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,495 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Just now, Daniel cain said: I Would carry on looking over my shoulder,and pick my moves( have done since the ban)When I was out digging every week or running a dog,I was actively breaking the law...I knew the risks,And I honestly didnt give 2 fucks,If I had my collar felt,then you take it on the chin,not go ratting out others and crying like a bitch.. You take responsibilities for your actions,good or bad,because that just life Should you get 5 years for complaining, that’s what I asked mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted July 21 Author Report Share Posted July 21 2 minutes ago, NEWKID said: I'd say there are half truths and some facts, and lots of bullshit.. humans are polluters of the highest level, no doubt, from dumping our waste in the season to pillaging forests and land to cover in concrete or burn, we ruin and destroy.. I like Greymans ideal of mother nature will eventually take control, we can't beat that in the end.. what we must realise is every man made solution to every man made problem revolves around money...the problem was sold to us (diesel, coal, etc) now the solutions are being sold to us (solar, heat source, electric vehicles).. unfortunately the solution is never going to completely eradicate the problem...the fact is we can't survive now without fossil fuels, our whole infrastructure is built around it... That's why IMO, public awareness and concern about climate change drives demand and actions for cleaner energy. I agree, the complete elimination of fossil fuels is a big ask, but we are innovators mate, nothing is impossible if you want it enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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