mackem 26,023 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 3 minutes ago, WILF said: Im not ranting and you absolutely didn’t answer You asked how was my walk different from just stop oil, I did answer. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,042 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 8 minutes ago, Arry said: Perhaps they should not be jailed for holding up traffic. Perhaps the should be charged for the estimated cost of every penny that people that lost money and time. If they want to protest have a march or a gathering in Hide Park or some where and see who supports them. If it were Pro Hunting blocking roads stopping traffic the way they did the law would kick the shit out of them. Cheers Arry I'd say 5 years in nick is worse than a kicking personally Arry, these people are not my cup of tea but 5 years seems extreme and I have to agree with Wilf sets the precedence for everyone after, I'd guess a hunting march now would be 10 years as 90% of the population don't support us.. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,495 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 2 minutes ago, NEWKID said: I'd say 5 years in nick is worse than a kicking personally Arry, these people are not my cup of tea but 5 years seems extreme and I have to agree with Wilf sets the precedence for everyone after, I'd guess a hunting march now would be 10 years as 90% of the population don't support us.. Bingo !……somebody that gets it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted July 21 Author Report Share Posted July 21 5 years for conspiracy to protest, rapists and paedophiles often get less! Now I don't entirely agree with their tactics, but a protest is meant to cause inconvenience or else it wouldn't get noticed, but, they are targeting the wrong people I guess. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 21,222 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 15 minutes ago, WILF said: Perhaps they should be left alone like all the odd marks get left alone ? What do you reckon mate ? I don't agree Wilf if they want to protest I've no problem with that fine. If you want to block the M25 then pay the cost thats what I'm saying. Have your march have a big gathering in a big park. But if you want to block roads stop Ambulances and people earning a living then pay up. Cheers Arry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted July 21 Author Report Share Posted July 21 6 minutes ago, Arry said: I don't agree Wilf if they want to protest I've no problem with that fine. If you want to block the M25 then pay the cost thats what I'm saying. Have your march have a big gathering in a big park. But if you want to block roads stop Ambulances and people earning a living then pay up. Cheers Arry In the future it could very well be a small price to pay, if predictions of future catastrophe prove true. What's a million pounds worth of obstruction compared to billions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,495 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Just now, Arry said: I don't agree Wilf if they want to protest I've no problem with that fine. If you want to block the M25 then pay the cost thats what I'm saying. Have your march have a big gathering in a big park. But if you want to block roads stop Ambulances and people earning a living then pay up. Cheers Arry If you dig into this stuff mate, it’s a proven fact that protests that cause no hassle at all just don’t work…..as in, it’s been studied and it’s all in black and white. One of the lead organisers of JSO actually states that fact right from the beginning. I remember the Brixton & Toxteth riots, they gave the spades everything after those despite them murdering a policeman while they were at it. The hunt Sabs digging up peoples dead relatives and causing no end of grief, they won. The IRA killed us for years and now they are the government in NI The Muslims have been blowing commuters to bits on the streets of London and that community has had billions thrown at it and the government can’t do enough for them. But let’s go back further, the suffrage movement and the vote for women, same story. If you don’t cause hassle nobody cares or listens, successive governments have set that rule. But we have seen from the hunting protest and now with this that if you are an indigenous white British person then the government are going to smash your head in with a truncheon or lock you up for massive portions of your lifetime if what you are saying don’t fit the agenda. Its all right there in front of everyone’s eyes and I’m absolutely baffled, and massively disappointed, that lads like us who have suffered the most abuse in our own lands at the hands of our own government just can’t see it. I find it heartbreaking to see my own people cheerleading their own abuse. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve t 922 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Out of likes but I agree with wilf. We all go on about wanting a change but if things do kick of there will be allot of inconvenience for some people. Should we get 5 years for fighting for our beliefs. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 21,222 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 15 minutes ago, Pewit said: In the future it could very well be a small price to pay, if predictions of future catastrophe prove true. What's a million pounds worth of obstruction compared to billions? In reality the UK is not a mass polluter. There are countries like China and India that are so why don't these protesters not. gather outside their Embassy's or spraying them with paint. Joe public doesn't have a choice most of us cant afford an electric car so why punish them with their protests. They want to stop licences in the North Sea etc and what does that do?? Make us buy oil from the other side of the earth and ship to us how green is that? Who on here is prepared to their car or gas boiler for these people. The affordable alternatives are not there yet are they? Cheers Arry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,042 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 I do wonder if these people were causing disruption as pro hunting or anti Islam if the sentiment towards them on here would be the same? As I said absolutely not my type of people and I don't agree with their tactics (in the main) but 5 years?? And where did this law to imprison for 5 years come from? Is it really a sentence that matches the crime? 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,495 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, Arry said: In reality the UK is not a mass polluter. There are countries like China and India that are so why don't these protesters not. gather outside their Embassy's or spraying them with paint. Joe public doesn't have a choice most of us cant afford an electric car so why punish them with their protests. They want to stop licences in the North Sea etc and what does that do?? Make us buy oil from the other side of the earth and ship to us how green is that? Who on here is prepared to their car or gas boiler for these people. The affordable alternatives are not there yet are they? Cheers Arry The new government is going to stop licenses in the North Sea !…..and they still gave these people 5 years ! The Government: You’re white, you’re British and we are going to give you 5 years for protesting about climate change. Also The Government : We are going to tax you all into oblivion because we want to stop climate change. Anyone joining the dots here and finding that things just don’t add up ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 44,915 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 If you dont like prison and the idea of losing your imaginary freedoms...then You play the game and keep your nose clean...it really is that simple... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,495 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 2 minutes ago, NEWKID said: I do wonder if these people were causing disruption as pro hunting or anti Islam if the sentiment towards them on here would be the same? As I said absolutely not my type of people and I don't agree with their tactics (in the main) but 5 years?? And where did this law to imprison for 5 years come from? Is it really a sentence that matches the crime? It’s a statement, that’s what it is mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,042 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 3 minutes ago, Arry said: In reality the UK is not a mass polluter. There are countries like China and India that are so why don't these protesters not. gather outside their Embassy's or spraying them with paint. Joe public doesn't have a choice most of us cant afford an electric car so why punish them with their protests. They want to stop licences in the North Sea etc and what does that do?? Make us buy oil from the other side of the earth and ship to us how green is that? Who on here is prepared to their car or gas boiler for these people. The affordable alternatives are not there yet are they? Cheers Arry Agree mate, this new climate "war" is built on impossibilities, half truths and out right bullshit, we all know that, electric transportation is a pipe dream..perhaps in inner cities but logistically world wide, even nationwide a non starter...our reliance on fossil fuels is here for good...I've said before on here we were talking with EDF about the diesel generators at Hinkleigh point, potentially using our systems to reduce the carbon out put...15k diesel generators of various sizes to "back up" the green energy production...smoke and mirrors mate 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pewit 970 Posted July 21 Author Report Share Posted July 21 1 minute ago, Arry said: In reality the UK is not a mass polluter. There are countries like China and India that are so why don't these protesters not. gather outside their Embassy's or spraying them with paint. Joe public doesn't have a choice most of us cant afford an electric car so why punish them with their protests. They want to stop licences in the North Sea etc and what does that do?? Make us buy oil from the other side of the earth and ship to us how green is that? Who on here is prepared to their car or gas boiler for these people. The affordable alternatives are not there yet are they? Cheers Arry But we can and still have a big influence on others, no? Isn't it a collective issue, if we can set a good example it may sway others in to taking action in the future? Isn't that the idea of protest, to try and make political change and push for solutions? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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