Pewit 970 Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 I'm with mC though, I think a coursing bred will beat a whippet to the first turn on a slip with fair law. Quote Link to post
chartpolski 23,204 Posted July 18 Author Report Share Posted July 18 8 minutes ago, Pewit said: I'm with mC though, I think a coursing bred will beat a whippet to the first turn on a slip with fair law. There’s no fair law or first turns in racing. The thread is about Max’s lurcher bitch racing, which will hopefully culminate in it winning the lurcher racing at the Scottish Derby this weekend. Best of luck to him as I know he will have the bitch in the best condition . Cheers. 5 Quote Link to post
Pewit 970 Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 38 minutes ago, chartpolski said: There’s no fair law or first turns in racing. The thread is about Max’s lurcher bitch racing, which will hopefully culminate in it winning the lurcher racing at the Scottish Derby this weekend. Best of luck to him as I know he will have the bitch in the best condition . Cheers. Racing I agree but the argument that has lasted a thousand years is the two against a hare, i do believe a coursing bred or saluki will put a turn in before a whippet if the hare is given fair law. Quote Link to post
chartpolski 23,204 Posted July 18 Author Report Share Posted July 18 7 minutes ago, Pewit said: Racing I agree but the argument that has lasted a thousand years is the two against a hare, i do believe a coursing bred or saluki will put a turn in before a whippet if the hare is given fair law. I won’t agree or disagree. I started the thread because Max wanted to run his lurcher bitch at my local whippet club and , I think, get my opinion on how it ran. It had nothing to do with what was better on a hare; whippet or lurcher. Ive had plenty of both and, in my opinion a coursing bred lurcher will normally beat a whippet. I hasten to add that would be a pedigree whippet. Ive said many, many time, that in MY opinion , the non-ped whippet, which yes, of course, has plenty of greyhound blood, is the fastest dog in the world over the sprint distance of 150 yards. Maxs dog is sired by one of the greatest ever non-ped whippets and it’s dam has the best lurcher and greyhound blood, so I’d expect it to be very fast. He’s building the bitch up to the Scottish Lurcher Derby, and in my mind will take some beating , even though I’ve only seen it run twice. As Ive said , this has nothing to do with running a live hare. So comparisons between a whippet and a lurcher are immaterial in this thread . mCHull goes on about “wet farmland”. That has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread or Max’s quest to win the Scottish Lurcher Derby. By the way, a dog that won the Scottish Lurcher Derby in the past, was bred by my pal Northernlite out of a top class non-ped whippet and beddy type lurcher, so just confirms my opinion that top class non-ped blood adds speed to a lurcher line, whatever you want to use the progeny for. Cheers. 10 Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,236 Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 3 hours ago, Pewit said: I'm with mC though, I think a coursing bred will beat a whippet to the first turn on a slip with fair law. it’s not debateable lol a non ped over that distance on good firm ground won’t be beaten you get lurchers as well that like the firm look like a million quid soon as the wet comes there not worth a wank i know on all different types a ground what’s the fastest the grew will win over 150 yds on firm good ground that’s level no nobbly bobbly lol no other type not even close in the real world hunting keep us updated chart hope max does the business Quote Link to post
Aussie Whip 4,091 Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 3 hours ago, Pewit said: I'm with mC though, I think a coursing bred will beat a whippet to the first turn on a slip with fair law. mC always reckoned a coursing bred was faster off the mark and over the first 50m than a whippet which is more than laughable. Quote Link to post
Black neck 15,872 Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 5 hours ago, Aussie Whip said: mC always reckoned a coursing bred was faster off the mark and over the first 50m than a whippet which is more than laughable. Stone the flamin crows Quote Link to post
Pewit 970 Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 6 hours ago, Aussie Whip said: mC always reckoned a coursing bred was faster off the mark and over the first 50m than a whippet which is more than laughable. Not having that one but out in the field I imagine it would be closer than a lot imagine. Quote Link to post
Aussie Whip 4,091 Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, Pewit said: Not having that one but out in the field I imagine it would be closer than a lot imagine. Not that close, maybe in mC's imagination, lol. Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,236 Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 On 19/07/2024 at 01:04, Aussie Whip said: mC always reckoned a coursing bred was faster off the mark and over the first 50m than a whippet which is more than laughable. On 19/07/2024 at 09:33, Aussie Whip said: Not that close, maybe in mC's imagination, lol. i know on what terrain me coursing bred will leave a whippet off the mark i can show anyone wants to see 3 months of the year lol the young un can walk the dry bobbly better then a whippet lol 1 Quote Link to post
Aussie Whip 4,091 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 2 hours ago, mC HULL said: know on what terrain me coursing bred will leave a whippet off the mark i can show anyone wants to see 3 months of the year lol If that's when it's wet and muddy well I'll give you that, I don't want my dogs getting a chill, or mud on them, lol. 1 Quote Link to post
Pewit 970 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 11 hours ago, mC HULL said: i know on what terrain me coursing bred will leave a whippet off the mark i can show anyone wants to see 3 months of the year lol the young un can walk the dry bobbly better then a whippet lol Sasquatch is alive! 1 Quote Link to post
TOMO 26,042 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 (edited) On 19/07/2024 at 00:42, mC HULL said: it’s not debateable lol a non ped over that distance on good firm ground won’t be beaten you get lurchers as well that like the firm look like a million quid soon as the wet comes there not worth a wank i know on all different types a ground what’s the fastest the grew will win over 150 yds on firm good ground that’s level no nobbly bobbly lol no other type not even close in the real world hunting keep us updated chart hope max does the business Maybe that thing I had was a one off...and you could argue she was just a lurcher...not a non ped whippet...and being 25 inch 51 lb...there wasn't a coursing dog that could live with her to put a first bend in....and alot wouldn't live with her in the first minute Edited July 21 by TOMO 2 Quote Link to post
Gilbey 1,431 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Not a one off, my lurcher sired by a top whip grey scratch racer was quicker than my salukis and crosses for a bit...MC won't have it I bet 2 Quote Link to post
mC HULL 12,236 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, TOMO said: Maybe that thing I had was a one off...and you could argue she was just a lurcher...not a non ped whippet...and being 25 inch 51 lb...there wasn't a coursing dog that could live with her to put a first bend in....and alot wouldn't live with her in the first minute 25 is good sized lurcher like you say grews are fast like you say pressure for the first minute but there coursing bred that a fast and have gears Quote Link to post
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