CITB CSCS CARDS

[low plains drifter 10,836]

44 minutes ago, WILF said:

Talk about a load of bollocks !…..I once sold a load of kit to one job, they were just finishing the fit out (as in snagging a few ceiling tiles, carpet tiles and sweeping up outside) when we installed it.

Bloke said to me “Where’s your hi viz” ?!

I said “Mate, it’s 70 degrees outside, we are on the top floor, indoors in a finished building!…..what the f**k are you talking about ?”

Anyway, bloke made a big song and dance and found us some hi viz things to put on.

Few hours later I hear a scream from downstairs, go down to investigate and a ceiling fixer has nearly cut his thumb off with a Stanley knife f***ing about with a tile.

Matey with the hi viz is hopping about so I said “I can’t see how it’s possible that bloke has nearly cut his finger off”

”whys that?” Says matey

”Well, he has a hi viz on” I say…..

Bloke just walked off and left us alone for the rest of the job, prat ! 
 

some of these geezers would do better actually getting their finger out their arse and getting on with it rather than walking about dressed as a liquorice allsort 

Bleeding pink coconut 

[Chaff 3,634]

5 minutes ago, king said:

Smooth and consistent is the key mate. Not erratic..ideally like a metronome..constantly going at the same speed. Go and watch the operator 2 hrs later and the machine is moving exactly like it was 2 hrs previously..just like an old timer on a hand shovel he doesn't start flat out at 7am and burn out at 8am..he will just plod on all day long..and by feck he will have moved some amount compared to a handful of teenager new starters..

Have seen a few one driver I met had new hilux Hitachi 360 he didn't need to work he told me he just enjoyed operating his digger lol

 

[Borr 6,717]

I agree with fundamental h&s , and it's saves thousands of lives but where it falls down is employing people without industry experience , and having so many rules and documentation it makes the job difficult, and the important things get lost in the mountain of permits and toolbox talks , sign this sign that. Half of these sites will save the iffy jobs for a Saturday when no ones about. It's all about liability and insurance for companies and industries, for me it's about not getting injured or dead and pointing stuff out to the individual that seems to be heading that way not firing emails to all and sundry trying to play political blame games while the said person is still in a precarious situation. Keep safe folks

[king 11,984]

13 minutes ago, Chaff said:

Have seen a few one driver I met had new hilux Hitachi 360 he didn't need to work he told me he just enjoyed operating his digger lol

 

Some old timers love it mate lol..

[king 11,984]

34 minutes ago, Chaff said:

Have seen a few one driver I met had new hilux Hitachi 360 he didn't need to work he told me he just enjoyed operating his digger lol

 

There's the new ramp we were putting in mate..

[scotty12 2,848]

2 hours ago, Chaff said:

That's how I read it too, on the positive side it should stop the enrichers from getting in.

I actually done my online test first because I got told you could do it online and apply for the card then to get told to go and do the test you just done aswell …. Money grabbers it’s complete madness 

[Chaff 3,634]

11 minutes ago, king said:

There's the new ramp we were putting in mate..

Have you got to build that to the top mate

 

[WILF 48,199]

40 minutes ago, Borr said:

I agree with fundamental h&s , and it's saves thousands of lives but where it falls down is employing people without industry experience , and having so many rules and documentation it makes the job difficult, and the important things get lost in the mountain of permits and toolbox talks , sign this sign that. Half of these sites will save the iffy jobs for a Saturday when no ones about. It's all about liability and insurance for companies and industries, for me it's about not getting injured or dead and pointing stuff out to the individual that seems to be heading that way not firing emails to all and sundry trying to play political blame games while the said person is still in a precarious situation. Keep safe folks

Absolutely agree lads shouldn’t be at serious risk just to earn a living, I remember the old days of “if you don’t like it f**k off and we will find someone who will”…..nobody wants to go back to that where lads life is concerned.

However, I’d seriously like to know how many people were getting seriously injured before all this nonsense because it sounds for all the world like a self created nothing business designed to just relieve lads of money and create jobs for utter pricks ?

Im guessing none of these tickets are free ? 

How the f**k are all these Romanians and pakis managing ?….they probably wouldn’t understand “look out a bricks falling on your head” if some lad drew them a picture never mind shouted it from a scaffold  so how are they all working on sites ? 

No wonder it takes a f***ing eternity to get stuff done, how are price work lads coping ?

[Bakerboy 4,736]

50 minutes ago, WILF said:

Absolutely agree lads shouldn’t be at serious risk just to earn a living, I remember the old days of “if you don’t like it f**k off and we will find someone who will”…..nobody wants to go back to that where lads life is concerned.

However, I’d seriously like to know how many people were getting seriously injured before all this nonsense because it sounds for all the world like a self created nothing business designed to just relieve lads of money and create jobs for utter pricks ?

Im guessing none of these tickets are free ? 

How the f**k are all these Romanians and pakis managing ?….they probably wouldn’t understand “look out a bricks falling on your head” if some lad drew them a picture never mind shouted it from a scaffold  so how are they all working on sites ? 

No wonder it takes a f***ing eternity to get stuff done, how are price work lads coping ?

Ive got to renew my tickets every 2 yrs luckily my company pics up the costs, theres massive corruption in the game tickets being bought with the blokes getting them not doing or passing the courses, Ive tried to get audits done on them because they're a danger to themselves and everyone around them, most can barely speak english in an industry where communications are absolutely essential

[king 11,984]

7 hours ago, Chaff said:

Have you got to build that to the top mate

 

That ramp had only got to go to the first bench mate..about another 5ft up from the end..

[NEWKID 27,716]

8 hours ago, WILF said:

Absolutely agree lads shouldn’t be at serious risk just to earn a living, I remember the old days of “if you don’t like it f**k off and we will find someone who will”…..nobody wants to go back to that where lads life is concerned.

However, I’d seriously like to know how many people were getting seriously injured before all this nonsense because it sounds for all the world like a self created nothing business designed to just relieve lads of money and create jobs for utter pricks ?

Im guessing none of these tickets are free ? 

How the f**k are all these Romanians and pakis managing ?….they probably wouldn’t understand “look out a bricks falling on your head” if some lad drew them a picture never mind shouted it from a scaffold  so how are they all working on sites ? 

No wonder it takes a f***ing eternity to get stuff done, how are price work lads coping ?

When I first got up on steel I was 19 and the bloke I worked for had me and my brother (completely inexperienced) climbing the steels, no cherry pickers, holding onto crane chains to support yourself, 40ft up and nothing to stop you falling, not even a harness ffs.. rather than put scaffold around for roofing we'd tack weld angles on the columns and put youngman boards on... one job was a new barn, tight farmer wanted his old asbestos sheets re used, so we're up there with no safety nets,walking old asbestos (brittle as hell) and cutting it with no masks etc... this is nearly 30 years ago... I would never fo anything like it now or expect anyone that works for me to either... 

Every job has plant for erecting steel, safety netting under roofs, HSE guidelines adhered to when stripping asbestos etc... the thing is we don't need  CSCS card to tell us that, it's common sense, passing a touch screen test dont give you that unfortunately ... ours was the most dangerous job in construction for fatalities (falling from heights), I'm not sure if it is now, safety netting is the best thing that's happened in our trade... the first time I ever had nets under a roof I promptly fell in them, taking a risk I shouldn't have, would I have done it without nets? Probably not...but thank god they were there!

H&S is important and required as sites are dangerous places to work, but the on site management needs to be from people whom know what there doing, time served tradesman not jumped up middle management who've never picked up a drill, that's where it falls down imo... 

We don't work with any large main contractors anymore, I won't do "big" site work cause the people who run them are c**ts, the majority is direct to customer, we deal with everything then and manage in a sensible way

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[WILF 48,199]

It would also be interesting to know what it costs everyone ?…….ultimately if a large firm has a build done and contractors are having to factor in spending half of every day dancing round some rule or regulation then they are rightfully going to price that in.

They will have to price as worst case scenario so the added cost must be massive ?

That cost will ultimately get picked up by the customers of whoever is having the build done.

Just the wasted time on nothing will have a massive cost.

Maybe that’s why China is building new 1000 mile river systems and we can’t fix a pothole ? Lol 

 

[tatsblisters 10,528]

It seems a bit over the top to me all this card for this and that though it's about 15 years now since I last worked in construction. My mate is a very good brick layer and is 60 years old and and refuses to pay the money for a card that tells him he's a brick layer so he avoids big sites and chooses to just do private work. 

[WILF 48,199]

4 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

It seems a bit over the top to me all this card for this and that though it's about 15 years now since I last worked in construction. My mate is a very good brick layer and is 60 years old and and refuses to pay the money for a card that tells him he's a brick layer so he avoids big sites and chooses to just do private work. 

Do you think it has a lot to do with the fact we don’t just have accidents anymore mate ?…..somebody has always got to be to blame ?

When you see the likes of grenfell where they will likely try and get the contractor prison time, even though 20 people will have been involved in specking that job and nobody had the slightest intention of hurting anyone, it the contractor who will loose everything ? …….surely that has to absolutely paralyse productivity when you have to think about what’s the most serious and non sensible place anything could end up ? 
 

 

[tatsblisters 10,528]

4 minutes ago, WILF said:

Do you think it has a lot to do with the fact we don’t just have accidents anymore mate ?…..somebody has always got to be to blame ?

When you see the likes of grenfell where they will likely try and get the contractor prison time, even though 20 people will have been involved in specking that job and nobody had the slightest intention of hurting anyone, it the contractor who will loose everything ? …….surely that has to absolutely paralyse productivity when you have to think about what’s the most serious and non sensible place anything could end up ? 
 

 

It seems like it to me mate. I have recently been been given the role of health and safety champion at work in a place that's very low risk accident wise i have done it mainly to keep management happy as we have got a good carry on with laid back management as long as the job gets done but i know it's more of a PR stunt to keep the insurers and other organizations happy.