chartpolski 23,561 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 I like watching re-runs of MASH, and in an episode the other night, Hawkeye Pierce was on trial for insubordination. The presiding officer, in summing up, said “ I wouldn’t like an officer like Captain Pierce going over the top with me, but as a surgeon, I’d sure like him being there when I came back “. Point being, they all have their jobs, the privately educated military surgeon is just as important as the comprehensive educated rifleman or the Sandhurst educated intelligence officer……or even Stiffy driving his bulldozer ! Cheers. 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 12,508 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Jesus there is no helping you there brother . ill leave you and stamina man to it . mons tout don’t do one stiff lol you still haven’t answered my question we’re do the majority of the best soldiers in the world come from ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,017 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Just now, WILF said: And how many other candidates with exactly the same or better grades did they interview those years ? Lots no doubt but they took in a much higher proportion of public school kids. I believe they've been forced into change now that was over 30 years ago. But they were kicking and screaming about the change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,923 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, mC HULL said: don’t do one stiff lol you still haven’t answered my question we’re do the majority of the best soldiers in the world come from ? Re read my posts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 12,508 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 4 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Re read my posts fffs how much stamina do you think i’ve got mate to be reading back threw that drivel lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,811 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Lots no doubt but they took in a much higher proportion of public school kids. I believe they've been forced into change now that was over 30 years ago. But they were kicking and screaming about the change. So back in the days when it was still hard to get into university and only the very best got in there you mean ? And you can categorically say that the people from your school were academically in top (however many places they handed out those years, 10 ?) out of every student who went for that in the country ? In other words, you believe that a university who lives off its record of producing great minds, risked that record to favour private school kids ? Yeah, right oh ! Lol ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,017 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, mC HULL said: fffs how much stamina do you think i’ve got mate to be reading back threw that drivel lol My laugh was not a sneeky go at you Stiff. It's just the realisation that we sit here furiously tapping key boards, repeating ourselves endlessly....and it's all," drivel" asMc says. I'm out chaps. Good evening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,158 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, jukel123 said: I think as a nation we are pretty obedient. We are walked over by our politicians. You make your own luck in this world, life is what you make it... f**k following the crowd and crying cause it ain't fair that someone not following the crowd has a bit more... the politicians are all c**ts, but they'll never define you if you've got a bit of bollockz about you... too easy to blame everything else but yourself imo 14 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 12,508 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, WILF said: So back in the days when it was still hard to get into university and only the very best got in there you mean ? And you can categorically say that the people from your school were academically in top (however many places they handed out those years, 10 ?) out of every student who went for that in the country ? In other words, you believe that a university who lives off its record of producing great minds, risked that record to favour private school kids ? Yeah, right oh ! Lol ! the ones at uni are thick as f**k look at em great at been programmed to listen and repeat but dense Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 23,561 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, jukel123 said: My laugh was not a sneeky go at you Stiff. It's just the realisation that we sit here furiously tapping key boards, repeating ourselves endlessly....and it's all," drivel" asMc says. I'm out chaps. Good evening. I prefer to class it as polite, if sometimes humorous, or even heated, debate. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,017 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, WILF said: So back in the days when it was still hard to get into university and only the very best got in there you mean ? And you can categorically say that the people from your school were academically in top (however many places they handed out those years, 10 ?) out of every student who went for that in the country ? In other words, you believe that a university who lives off its record of producing great minds, risked that record to favour private school kids ? Yeah, right oh ! Lol ! 3 A star A levels got you into Oxbridge . Lots of state schools achieved that. But the vast majority of the people they accepted were from public schools. Why? They've changed now I think they've been forced into accepting more state kids than private. There has been no change in the world rankings of Oxford and Cambridge. Anyway I'm out. This could run and run and my fingers hurt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 12,508 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 12 minutes ago, jukel123 said: My laugh was not a sneeky go at you Stiff. It's just the realisation that we sit here furiously tapping key boards, repeating ourselves endlessly....and it's all," drivel" asMc says. I'm out chaps. Good evening. is sound stiff good for a bite lol but talks some sense and is passionate about the armed forces you can’t fault him really Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,923 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 24 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Explain yourself. Dont go missing in action. Bonnet de douche Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,923 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 17 minutes ago, mC HULL said: is sound stiff good for a bite lol but talks some sense and is passionate about the armed forces you can’t fault him really Don’t come all the old bite crack as you get challenged for some of the absurdity you come out with as for the rest , Gracias your more fun than max , only just though but what you and the peoples champion don’t grasp , is that the education is needed . theres no direct inversion between intelligence and common sense. But the main qualities needed are capacity and capability . The reason most officers are university educated is that in positions of high command , intelligence, the ability think adeptly, to communicate your plan both spoken and written , to read the situation and to complete all the tasks a soldier does in the background effortlessly is an extremely demanding skill set . An officer completes the same basic training a solder does at more intense and high pace . It’s covered in the first few weeks in sandhurst. theres no them and us , we are all one team . If you think of the army as a construction firm. does the contracts manager need to know how to set kerbs ? does the clerk of works have time to run a hoover over the van with the lads ? does head of design need to know how to clean a cement mixer ? No but they can do it . could a yts bricky deliver end of year accounts ? does the hr secretary write the company’s 5 year financial growth plan ? does the tea lady deliver performance reports ? no they don’t , they can grow into the role . But it takes development and education . Hence rank and promotion. how two seemingly intelligent geezers can’t grasp that is literally beyond me. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,811 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) 29 minutes ago, jukel123 said: 3 A star A levels got you into Oxbridge . Lots of state schools achieved that. But the vast majority of the people they accepted were from public schools. Why? Because, somewhat like faith schools, those institutions run a more disciplined, respectful and professional ship and so that is the climate Those pupils are coming from…..if you are going to invest time and money and your reputation in people who are equally qualified then I imagine it comes down to small margins. Quote They've changed now I think they've been forced into accepting more state kids than private. There has been no change in the world rankings of Oxford and Cambridge. Forced !……so merit no longer has a place…..congratulations ! Quote Anyway I'm out. This could run and run and my fingers hurt. I was also a school governor and if that had been me I wouldn’t have been gurning about an unfair class system, I’d have been talking with the SLT about how we can improve chances of getting them over the line and what we can do to facilitate that……otherwise the one letting them down isn’t “the system”, it’s me. Edited January 26 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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