WILF 46,811 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 4 minutes ago, mC HULL said: your nothing but a number that’s disposable lol ffs wilf come on Go back to bed, we will call you when you’re needed ! Lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,811 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Everybody is a prisoner to their experiences of life. I've never met a member of the 'officer class' who I didn't despise for their misplaced confidence and general world view which seems to entail them being entitled to all decision making. When they divide pies they think they can take 3/4 of it themselves. The culture I was brought up in dictated you never crawl to the teacher or to the boss man. I still,believe that. Sorry if that's offensive to some but that's my opinion and this is a forum where opinions are exchanged. Interesting point, so here is my take. Now, I don’t like David Moyes as a manager, I loathe his football, I don’t particularly find his career that much to get excited about…..in football terms, I don’t like the bloke. But if I sat in a room with him and he was talking football I’d listen, and I’d listen out of respect for a bloke who has done something I couldn’t and didn’t and has done it for a long time at the highest level possible …..I’d be self aware and humble enough as a man to understand that, I’d respect the fact that at that particular thing or set of things he is better than me. Id feel no less a person for the experience. Imho, it’s says more about your own insecurities that you can’t acknowledge genuine achievement than it does about anything else….. Edited January 26 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,017 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 15 minutes ago, WILF said: Well don’t doubt it mate, it’s a fact. Wilf, tell the truth, Stiff is your not so secret lovechild isn't he?. Come on you might be a pain in the ass a lot of the time, but you are always pretty honest imo. Well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,811 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Wilf, tell the truth, Stiff is your not so secret lovechild isn't he?. Come on you might be a pain in the ass a lot of the time, but you are always pretty honest imo. Well? He is my pal and as my pal I have access to his reports and many awards because we obviously talk about them and I have seen them. Its the difference between knowing and making stuff up mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,017 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Just now, WILF said: Interesting point, so here is my take. Now, I don’t like David Moyes as a manager, I loathe his football, I don’t particularly find his career that much to get excited about…..in football terms, I don’t like the bloke. But if I sat in a room with him and he was talking football I’d listen, and I’d listen out of respect for a bloke who has done something I couldn’t and didn’t and has done it for a long time…..I’d be self aware and humble enough as a man to understand that, I’d respect the fact that at that particular thing or set of things he is better than me. Id feel no less a person for the experience. Imho, it’s says more about your own insecurities that you can’t acknowledge genuine achievement than it does about anything else….. But Moyes is chalk and cheese to the public school/ Sandhurst lot. He came from nothing, has actually played the game and is a highly successful manager, whatever you think about his tactics. If he were my boss in the army I would follow him over the top. But my nightmare would be told to go over the top by some Blackadder whilst he had a cup of tea nice and safe in his bunker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 23,557 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 36 minutes ago, jukel123 said: A rare moment of insight Mc. You are thriving under CP's guidance. You'll be singing the red flag soon. He’d be better off learning the State Anthem Of The Russian Federation for when Labour decommission our armed forces and nuclear deterrent , leaves NATO and invites their Russian friends in ! The only Russian words he needs to know are “tovarwich” and “spasibo”. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,811 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) 29 minutes ago, jukel123 said: But Moyes is chalk and cheese to the public school/ Sandhurst lot. He came from nothing, has actually played the game and is a highly successful manager, whatever you think about his tactics. If he were my boss in the army I would follow him over the top. But my nightmare would be told to go over the top by some Blackadder whilst he had a cup of tea nice and safe in his bunker. Where are you getting this idea about some public school sandhurst lot?….your just making it up ! It May have been the case in 1900 but it’s not now and hasn’t been since the Second World War ! Paddy Mayne was like an accountant or something and he started the SAS !……where are you getting this from mate ? Lol Edited January 26 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,811 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, chartpolski said: He’d be better off learning the State Anthem Of The Russian Federation for when Labour decommission our armed forces and nuclear deterrent , leaves NATO and invites their Russian friends in ! The only Russian words he needs to know are “tovarwich” and “spasibo”. Cheers. I have it on good authority that McHull has a quick stroll round Russia as his morning walk. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,915 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Wolfdog91 said: Alot of y'all conversations got me questioning if you can breed a society to be submissive and easily ruled... Very interesting Such astute reasoning must be applauded 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 23,557 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, WILF said: Where are you getting this idea about some public school sandhurst lot?….your just making it up ! It May have been the case in 1900 but it’s not now and hasn’t been since the Second World War ! Paddy Mayne was like an accountant or something and he started the SAS !……where are you getting this from mate ? Lol Many officer have won bravery awards for “going over the top” with their men; Colonel “H” Jones springs to mind. He was awarded a posthumous VC, even though he shouldn’t have done it. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,017 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, WILF said: Where are you getting this idea about some public school sandhurst lot?….your just making it up ! It May have been the case in 1900 but it’s not now and hasn’t been since the Second World War ! Paddy Mayne was like an accountant or something and he started the SAS !……where are you getting this from mate ? Lol I checked this morning the social composition of Sandhurst. It's 65/35 in favour of public schools. This is way more socially balanced than it used to be. Public school educated kids make up 7% of the population. So they seem to find twice the number of suitable candidates from that elite 7%. I think it would be naive to assume the comprehensive kids don't face a glass ceiling when the real top jobs are on offer. Personally I would like all recruits to go through the same training for a least two years and officers chosen from their ranks regardless of background. But british society doesn't work that way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,811 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 4 minutes ago, chartpolski said: Many officer have won bravery awards for “going over the top” with their men; Colonel “H” Jones springs to mind. He was awarded a posthumous VC, even though he shouldn’t have done it. Cheers. Montys dad was a vicar ! My red friend is I’m afraid talking out of his arse on this particular subject ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,017 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 5 minutes ago, chartpolski said: Many officer have won bravery awards for “going over the top” with their men; Colonel “H” Jones springs to mind. He was awarded a posthumous VC, even though he shouldn’t have done it. Cheers. There used to be an award for bravery beyond that expected of rank or words to that effect. That gives you an insight into the social apartheid of the British army. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 12,506 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 10 minutes ago, WILF said: I have it on good authority that McHull has a quick stroll round Russia as his morning walk. i’ve more in common with putin then i have with rishi let’s put it that way ffs lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 8,017 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, WILF said: Montys dad was a vicar ! My red friend is I’m afraid talking out of his arse on this particular subject ! But you cannot argue from the particular to the general. You must look at the stats. Play the ball not the man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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