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[WILF 48,020]

Has anyone stopped to ask themselves how a bankrupt Europe and United States is funding this proxy war on Russia ?……I reckon old Putin is smarter than we think, he knows who eventually picks up the bill and he is happy to keep absorbing !

Russia absorbs, it always has and enemies break on those rocks. 
 

Plus, I think Putin is actually in with a good shout of being the good guy from western citizens point of view. 

[king 11,984]

  On 17/01/2024 at 21:49, WILF said:

Has anyone stopped to ask themselves how a bankrupt Europe and United States is funding this proxy war on Russia ?……I reckon old Putin is smarter than we think, he knows who eventually picks up the bill and he is happy to keep absorbing !

Russia absorbs, it always has and enemies break on those rocks. 
 

Plus, I think Putin is actually in with a good shout of being the good guy from western citizens point of view. 

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Sunak has given Ukraine £2.3 billion a year for the last 2yrs..he's giving Ukraine £2.5 billion this year..

That's £7.1 billion..or a number I can just about get my head around is 

7,100 million pound..

And yet loads of councils have gone bankrupt in the uk..

He doesn't give a toss though does he the immigration hotel bill is something like £8 million every single day..

And us taxpayers are footing the bill every single time..

[WILF 48,020]

  On 17/01/2024 at 22:41, king said:

Sunak has given Ukraine £2.3 billion a year for the last 2yrs..he's giving Ukraine £2.5 billion this year..

That's £7.1 billion..or a number I can just about get my head around is 

7,100 million pound..

And yet loads of councils have gone bankrupt in the uk..

He doesn't give a toss though does he the immigration hotel bill is something like £8 million every single day..

And us taxpayers are footing the bill every single time..

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And in a country already at the highest tax rate ever where people also have to contend with stealth taxes in the way of fines and FPN coming at them from all angles as well…….does that feel like winning against Russia to anyone ? 

[Bangersanmash 3,726]

  On 17/01/2024 at 20:57, chartpolski said:

As I said in a previous post; there was an armistice between North Korea and South Korea, not a peace treaty, so they are still technically at war.

This doesn’t alter the fact that North Korea invaded South Korea.

As for Putin; the west and NATO’s position was to plan for and repel a massive armoured Russian attack sweeping across the Eurasian plain into Western Europe, but look what happened ; they couldn’t even sweep into Kiev !

If the Ukrainians thwarted the Russian plan, then NATO, in my mind , would destroy them with the advanced technology they have. It’s already been said that Russias Black Sea fleet would be destroyed in their moorings by “stand off “ missiles !

Russia is fighting a 1950’s war against Ukraine, NATO would be fighting a 21st century war.

Putins only hope would be to go nuclear, but even he would not invite MAD, the Chinese would warn him against it.

Just my opinions, of course.

Cheers.

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True words mate. The world's just gone titts up past couple of years. All boils down to covid too much time on his hands Putin. Reading and studying the old days of the soviet union. Wanting what isn't there anymore , plus many of the countries surrounding Russia don't want either. Many countries these days just want peace. But when you get idiots like Putin & Kim coming together and Iran. You know there's going to be trouble down the line. Instead of doing good wanting to do bad.  I've just been reading this mate. A know it's not the same topic. But just showing from bad to good.  Been followning this for a few days now. Just glad they've found them safe & well. It's great to see NATO pulling together. Shows the importance of pulling together. 

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[Bangersanmash 3,726]

  On 17/01/2024 at 21:49, WILF said:

Has anyone stopped to ask themselves how a bankrupt Europe and United States is funding this proxy war on Russia ?……I reckon old Putin is smarter than we think, he knows who eventually picks up the bill and he is happy to keep absorbing !

Russia absorbs, it always has and enemies break on those rocks. 
 

Plus, I think Putin is actually in with a good shout of being the good guy from western citizens point of view. 

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He's done mate he's running out of tanks fast plus men. Many aren't wanting to fight for him no more. A think the Russian citizens have taken off the blinkers & realised who he really his.... ?  The man had too much time on his hand , through the covid outbreak. From what I've read many on here & the out side world Putin followers just like you do in football lol glory supports..

 At the beginning followed him. Then mid way when Ukraine looked as though they were turning things around. People backed off supporting Putin even countries that were supporting him at the beginning were worried. 

Then he got more support from Iran & north Korea. Because they know he can't afford to lose this war for all of his supports the out look won't be good. But people saying us west shouldn't of got involved are crazy. 

Has a human being are you expected to just stand back & watch for no reason a neighbouring country destroy another ? 

Me I couldn't do it watching innocent people die for some man's crazy thoughts one day to destroy peace in Europe. Because that's what He's done. He's turned Europe upside down. 

 

[Bangersanmash 3,726]

  On 17/01/2024 at 22:41, king said:

Sunak has given Ukraine £2.3 billion a year for the last 2yrs..he's giving Ukraine £2.5 billion this year..

That's £7.1 billion..or a number I can just about get my head around is 

7,100 million pound..

And yet loads of councils have gone bankrupt in the uk..

He doesn't give a toss though does he the immigration hotel bill is something like £8 million every single day..

And us taxpayers are footing the bill every single time..

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Its one of them king you can still go to bed at night in your own bed can't you. Us with kids can look at them knowing at the minute their safe and fit. We know the next morning that our extended family's are safe too in the country. These poor fuckers in Ukraine don't. A get it with the migrant situation these fuckers coming over on the boats. I'm a big believer that we should be shooting these off the top of the water. And if the goverment don't do it. Then we need to get some old fishing vessels & do it ourselves. Watching the channel their taking from France over to us. Any sighting shoot the b*****ds sink them. 

[DIDO.1 22,851]

  On 17/01/2024 at 22:41, king said:

Sunak has given Ukraine £2.3 billion a year for the last 2yrs..he's giving Ukraine £2.5 billion this year..

That's £7.1 billion..or a number I can just about get my head around is 

7,100 million pound..

And yet loads of councils have gone bankrupt in the uk..

He doesn't give a toss though does he the immigration hotel bill is something like £8 million every single day..

And us taxpayers are footing the bill every single time..

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Problem is our only chance of change is don't vote conservative..... which means a labour government...... which is exactly the same thing. 

Yeah I know Wilf will tell us to vote for someone else....but to the average bloke on the street they won't do that 

[WILF 48,020]

  On 18/01/2024 at 07:56, DIDO.1 said:

 

Yeah I know Wilf will tell us to vote for someone else....but to the average bloke on the street they won't do that 

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Sad but true mate 

[WILF 48,020]

  On 18/01/2024 at 04:45, Bangersanmash said:

He's done mate he's running out of tanks fast plus men. Many aren't wanting to fight for him no more. A think the Russian citizens have taken off the blinkers & realised who he really his.... ?  The man had too much time on his hand , through the covid outbreak. From what I've read many on here & the out side world Putin followers just like you do in football lol glory supports..

 At the beginning followed him. Then mid way when Ukraine looked as though they were turning things around. People backed off supporting Putin even countries that were supporting him at the beginning were worried. 

Then he got more support from Iran & north Korea. Because they know he can't afford to lose this war for all of his supports the out look won't be good. But people saying us west shouldn't of got involved are crazy. 

Has a human being are you expected to just stand back & watch for no reason a neighbouring country destroy another ? 

Me I couldn't do it watching innocent people die for some man's crazy thoughts one day to destroy peace in Europe. Because that's what He's done. He's turned Europe upside down. 

 

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Interesting conversation mate, and it’s just different points of view, but I don’t buy the “Putin is the bogeyman” narrative at all…..that’s just my opinion of course.

I personally take the view that Europe deliberately provoked the bloke, let’s face it, nobody else would stand for a hostile foreign power or powers making a land grab right up to your border so why should Putin and Russia ? 
He repeatedly warned them not too and they did it anyway…..we should ask ourselves why ?

We helped replace an elected government with Zalensky, a move much like putting Vic Reeves in charge of a country……now it’s all jetting about the world and having dinner with presidents ?…..who the f**k is this bloke ? 
 

Im sure our land grab has nothing to do with UKraines massive natural resources and food production capability, All those European officials, American mining operations won’t be looking greedily at what they can earn out of it and no doubt Zakensky will be rich beyond anything he could have dreamed of…….and the people paying the price for it all is us.

Putin never betrayed me or my country……it’s our own politicians did that and are still doing it on a daily basis.

So folks will have to forgive me if I don’t trust them and I don’t support them in a war of their own creation against a bloke who puts his own country first, a mindset many of us would want and understand for our own nations.

The people running us are quiet obviously mad or bad or both, that has been proven for the last 50 years at least……if those c**ts told me the sun was going to set this evening I wouldn’t believe them because the last thing they are doing is working in the interests of European people and British people, they have shown it time and again.

I want Putin to break them, because my enemy’s enemy is my friend. 

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[DIDO.1 22,851]

  On 18/01/2024 at 08:41, WILF said:

Interesting conversation mate, and it’s just different points of view, but I don’t buy the “Putin is the bogeyman” narrative at all…..that’s just my opinion of course.

I personally take the view that Europe deliberately provoked the bloke, let’s face it, nobody else would stand for a hostile foreign power or powers making a land grab right up to your border so why should Putin and Russia ? 
He repeatedly warned them not too and they did it anyway…..we should ask ourselves why ?

We helped replace an elected government with Zalensky, a move much like putting Vic Reeves in charge of a country……now it’s all jetting about the world and having dinner with presidents ?…..who the f**k is this bloke ? 
 

Im sure our land grab has nothing to do with UKraines massive natural resources and food production capability, All those European officials, American mining operations won’t be looking greedily at what they can earn out of it and no doubt Zakensky will be rich beyond anything he could have dreamed of…….and the people paying the price for it all is us.

Putin never betrayed me or my country……it’s our own politicians did that and are still doing it on a daily basis.

So folks will have to forgive me if I don’t trust them and I don’t support them in a war of their own creation against a bloke who puts his own country first, a mindset many of us would want and understand for our own nations.

The people running us are quiet obviously mad or bad or both, that has been proven for the last 50 years at least……if those c**ts told me the sun was going to set this evening I wouldn’t believe them because the last thing they are doing is working in the interests of European people and British people, they have shown it time and again.

I want Putin to break them, because my enemy’s enemy is my friend. 

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Nail on the head. 

Putin is expected to allow the west to build bio labs on his border, if he acts after years of warnings he's a warmonger. 

The USA poured millions of gallons of agent orange on Vietnam to fight russian influence...that must be ok

It's amazing that those in the west believe everything they are told 

[WILF 48,020]

  On 17/01/2024 at 08:38, Bangersanmash said:

They've never invaded another country because they've not had much to invade another country up until the past decade that Kim has been spending most of its countries money on warfare due to the conflict he's bring with south Korea. For some reason since Putin invade Ukraine many eastern countries have stepped up retaliation with neighbouring countries we can see that on a weekly basis now. Before putin invade Ukraine yes these countries didn't see eye to eye bit of shit talk between one another. But now it's like show & tell at school with that Kim threats testing  his party poppers every other week.. China fast building up there military. The world's gone mad since the invasion of Ukraine. Us the west have helped Ukraine due to them having no fire power against Russia at the beginning of the so called war. He wanted to go in to Ukraine torture them hoping they'd have no help at all. Then after that it would of been many of the other European countries that was part of the soviet union. The man has lost the plot since covid. And now many think he's a God from all around the world. But the only way he will win is if he uses nuclear power against the west. And that won't happen. So all these countries that have followed him from day one will fall too mc. These countries that are holding back on oil sales to the west only burn themselves. Because we will get it one way or another. From other eastern countries who they've sold to at a cheaper price. So in the long run it's them who's out of pocket dum b*****ds. I'm hoping now we stop all deals with the east and get back to how we was many years ago like my grandfather said independent other countries needing us. And hopefully putin will of made this happen. We definitely need to open back up many of our steel factories. Other industries that we were known for quality not quantity. 

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Nobody needs us mate, certainly not at the moment…..our politicians have systematically gutted our country.

I watched something the other day about an engineering project in China called the Nort-South water diversion project, mate, it’s breathtaking !!

The scale is unimaginable, they basically built a new tributary to the Yangtze River 720 miles long to get water to Bejing……it’s awesome, and we can’t fix pot holes mate !

It makes the channel tunnel look like the work of Stone Age men ! 
 

To see it is to understand the scale of the betrayal that has been inflicted on us and how low it has laid us…..don’t get me wrong, I think we could have a place in the world again at the very top of the tree in engineering, manufacturing, entrepreneurial minds…..but not with any of the current crop of European politicians in charge.

They have sold us out and empowered others to greatness.

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  On 17/01/2024 at 22:41, king said:

Sunak has given Ukraine £2.3 billion a year for the last 2yrs..he's giving Ukraine £2.5 billion this year..

That's £7.1 billion..or a number I can just about get my head around is 

7,100 million pound..

And yet loads of councils have gone bankrupt in the uk..

He doesn't give a toss though does he the immigration hotel bill is something like £8 million every single day..

And us taxpayers are footing the bill every single time..

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Have a watch of this. ..will explain where Sunak is getting his money from

 

[WILF 48,020]

  On 18/01/2024 at 11:27, Daniel cain said:

Have a watch of this. ..will explain where Sunak is getting his money from

 

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It’s good that isn’t it mate, eye opening.

 

[king 11,984]

  On 18/01/2024 at 00:28, WILF said:

And in a country already at the highest tax rate ever where people also have to contend with stealth taxes in the way of fines and FPN coming at them from all angles as well…….does that feel like winning against Russia to anyone ? 

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We are being taken for a country of fools mate..

How the hell can 1 man decide to give away £7.1 billion of tax payers money without asking the tax payer first..

There's a very simple solution for the government to listen and work for what the country wants..

The answer is a independently run app..

Such massive decisions as giving away billions of pounds shouldn't be down to the pm or mps it should be the public of the uk..

All across the news channels, papers, adverts on TV.. that there's a vote on Friday evening about a certain decision. The public vote and there's the answer yes or no..a simple and effective way to get the peoples votes almost instantly..

Would the government do it..never ever..corrupt to the core the lot of them...

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