jukel123 7,957 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 7 minutes ago, WILF said: The arguments about gutting Britains manufacturing base has been done to death so I won’t go over it again. But I’ll ask a question, who thinks that Britain outsourcing everything from steel to food production and everything in between will be coming back to bite us on the arse in the not too distant future ? We needed massive input from the United States in WW2 and that’s when we made stuff, had an empire and only 44 million people in a bigger agricultural country……we’d be absolutely f****d now surely ? Knowing how to design a gun won’t be much good if we can’t actually cut up the bits, assemble it and get it out there when whoever comes knocking ? Having a million acres of passive house council estates won’t put a single loaf of bread on the table ? We are massively vulnerable due to policy over the last eighty years aren’t we ? This is a bit of a curve ball but where does patriotism fit in all this? Vast swathes of British industry and high end property is now owned by non brits. Eighty per cent of the new oil and gas fields will be sold to the highest bidder, not to secure our own future energy needs. The British economy has relied on an endless of cheap foreign labour so R and D has never been awarded the same importance as it has in other developed countries. Also our own people do not produce enough children for various reasons, so again we rely on immigrant labour and ignore the existing social cost. Come a war I think its a bit of an ask for young servicemen to risk their lives for THEIR country. What country? How much of it do individual servicemen own? A poxy council house? A banger? 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRUEBRIT66 1,502 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 8 minutes ago, jukel123 said: This is a bit of a curve ball but where does patriotism fit in all this? Vast swathes of British industry and high end property is now owned by non brits. Eighty per cent of the new oil and gas fields will be sold to the highest bidder, not to secure our own future energy needs. The British economy has relied on an endless of cheap foreign labour so R and D has never been awarded the same importance as it has in other developed countries. Also our own people do not produce enough children for various reasons, so again we rely on immigrant labour and ignore the existing social cost. Come a war I think its a bit of an ask for young servicemen to risk their lives for THEIR country. What country? How much of it do individual servicemen own? A poxy council house? A banger? I think if there is a war (god forbid) our government whoever it will be will be in for a bit of a shock when it comes to patriotism and the good old British resolve, that was knocked out of us all 20 odd years ago. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 17 minutes ago, jukel123 said: This is a bit of a curve ball but where does patriotism fit in all this? Vast swathes of British industry and high end property is now owned by non brits. Eighty per cent of the new oil and gas fields will be sold to the highest bidder, not to secure our own future energy needs. The British economy has relied on an endless of cheap foreign labour so R and D has never been awarded the same importance as it has in other developed countries. Also our own people do not produce enough children for various reasons, so again we rely on immigrant labour and ignore the existing social cost. Come a war I think its a bit of an ask for young servicemen to risk their lives for THEIR country. What country? How much of it do individual servicemen own? A poxy council house? A banger? I 100% agree with the sentiment mate, but I think our current servicemen do the job because it fits their character and they want to be a professional soldier…..I think that is a way bigger motivator than any sense of attachment to king and country. My impression is that their first loyalty is to their fellow professionals and comrades and to the profession itself….. could be wrong ? But I agree if we went looking for people now like we did in 1939 then we’d be having to press gang them…..especially as at least 20 million have no ethnic or historical attachment to the soil beneath their feet and have been allowed to poison the well of huge swathes of our own young people too. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 7,957 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 11 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said: I think if there is a war (god forbid) our government whoever it will be will be in for a bit of a shock when it comes to patriotism and the good old British resolve, that was knocked out of us all 20 odd years ago. The army chief has this morning said we need more squaddies. If necessary via conscription. Good luck with that. You'll have to wipe three stones courtesy of McDonalds off each of those conscripted, plus confiscate their cuddly teddy bears when they arrive in barracks. LOl 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 Just now, jukel123 said: The army chief has this morning said we need more squaddies. If necessary via conscription. Good luck with that. You'll have to wipe three stones courtesy of McDonalds off each of those conscripted, plus confiscate their cuddly teddy bears when they arrive in barracks. LOl Like they gutted our industry they also gutted our youth…..we “outsourced” a couple of generations and imported the 3rd world instead. That is definitely coming back to bite us, that’s not even up for discussion. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paddyluke 729 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 most of the British Military clothing is made China inc MTP MVP clothing, Uniforms for Britain's top military units are made in China under £70million contract | Daily Mail Online WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK Uniforms worn by the Red Arrows and the RAF Memorial Flight were produced in Chinese factories, according to... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 7,957 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, paddyluke said: most of the British Military clothing is made China inc MTP MVP clothing, Uniforms for Britain's top military units are made in China under £70million contract | Daily Mail Online WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK Uniforms worn by the Red Arrows and the RAF Memorial Flight were produced in Chinese factories, according to... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRUEBRIT66 1,502 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, paddyluke said: most of the British Military clothing is made China inc MTP MVP clothing, Uniforms for Britain's top military units are made in China under £70million contract | Daily Mail Online WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK Uniforms worn by the Red Arrows and the RAF Memorial Flight were produced in Chinese factories, according to... You couldn't make it up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 7,957 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 (edited) They have individual, tracking satellites woven into the material. Simples. 2 minutes ago, jukel123 said: Edited January 24 by jukel123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted January 24 Author Report Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, WILF said: The arguments about gutting Britains manufacturing base has been done to death so I won’t go over it again. But I’ll ask a question, who thinks that Britain outsourcing everything from steel to food production and everything in between will be coming back to bite us on the arse in the not too distant future ? We needed massive input from the United States in WW2 and that’s when we made stuff, had an empire and only 44 million people in a bigger agricultural country……we’d be absolutely f****d now surely ? Knowing how to design a gun won’t be much good if we can’t actually cut up the bits, assemble it and get it out there when whoever comes knocking ? Having a million acres of passive house council estates won’t put a single loaf of bread on the table ? We are massively vulnerable due to policy over the last eighty years aren’t we ? I feel that that sort of statement lumps everything together. We were sourcing stuff from cheap foreign places well before any of the events you talk about took place. We’ve been utilising global trade and capitalism for about 400 years. It’s literally what made Britain histories greatest empire. This is far more nuanced than all that. Of course certain supply chains and industries are of strategic importance. But does that mean we shouldn’t utilise cheap foreign supply or resources for anything ever? We’d have done nothing historically if that was the case. My only point on this topic is to say that just because we manufacture in the the east doesn’t mean we’re doing nothing. I’d argue the innovation and management aspect of product development is far more valuable and impressive than the manufacturing phase. And we shouldn’t sell ourselves short. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted January 24 Author Report Share Posted January 24 Oh and there was another night of air strikes on Monday night. US SEALs missing after a ship boarding too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 35 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: I feel that that sort of statement lumps everything together. We were sourcing stuff from cheap foreign places well before any of the events you talk about took place. We’ve been utilising global trade and capitalism for about 400 years. It’s literally what made Britain histories greatest empire. This is far more nuanced than all that. Of course certain supply chains and industries are of strategic importance. But does that mean we shouldn’t utilise cheap foreign supply or resources for anything ever? We’d have done nothing historically if that was the case. My only point on this topic is to say that just because we manufacture in the the east doesn’t mean we’re doing nothing. I’d argue the innovation and management aspect of product development is far more valuable and impressive than the manufacturing phase. And we shouldn’t sell ourselves short. Fair shout mate, but I’d counter by saying that’s not quiet an honest appraisal of our former and current situation either is it ? We wasn’t sourcing ships or steel or small metal parts or motorcycles or air craft or cars or trucks or clothing or coal or oil or radio antenna or bricks or tunic buttons or zips or boots from other places was we?…..we made all that ourselves, we had the skills and the means of production which we no longer have. Granted to make a coat you have to source the cotton and to make a ship you need the iron ore that we imported. I still think we would be in a weaker position if we had to start making things ourselves than we were previously……I mean surely, if you get into a war with China and they turn off the tap of everything, you’re f****d right ? Or if shipping and air space is no longer a viable transport method, where it’s at risk from military strikes….we are f****d, right ? Maybe that’s too simplistic ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,605 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 28 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Oh and there was another night of air strikes on Monday night. US SEALs missing after a ship boarding too. Probably off making a TikTok video ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 13,080 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 All Englishmen to be called up to fight if war breaks out with Russia lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 7,957 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 (edited) 18 minutes ago, lurcherman 887 said: All Englishmen to be called up to fight if war breaks out with Russia lol No problems mate. Just as long as my sergeant knows that, like Godfrey in Dad's army, I need a pee every hour. Edited January 24 by jukel123 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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