paulus 26 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 1 hour ago, DIDO.1 said: Politically you are very naive pal. I think your attitude and belief sums up why politicians get away with what they do. Sorry He just ignores the facts, Ukraine had killed over 14.000 ethnic Russians in the south, Russians in the South were told they could only speak Ukrainian, Ukraine was/is the most corrupt Country in the World. Ukraine's New constitution stated there wish to join the EU and then NATO. Russia tried the less lethal option at the start of the war by trying to take out or overthrow the government. There is a reason that in Ukraine a comedian can become the leader of the Country and ex boxers can become Mayors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,647 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 39 minutes ago, paulus said: He just ignores the facts, Ukraine had killed over 14.000 ethnic Russians in the south, Russians in the South were told they could only speak Ukrainian, Ukraine was/is the most corrupt Country in the World. Ukraine's New constitution stated there wish to join the EU and then NATO. Russia tried the less lethal option at the start of the war by trying to take out or overthrow the government. There is a reason that in Ukraine a comedian can become the leader of the Country and ex boxers can become Mayors. There's some rose tinted glasses there lol it all depends on how deep you want to scratch I suppose, there's evidence that the kremlin were paying Russians to move into the south resulting in friction by design, its a well known tactic of putin and has been used on many of the surrounding former USSR tinpot states and using banana Republic tactics and rigged elections to get the right people in power in those areas, im not saying Ukraine are any better by the way. I suppose if its good enough for the CIA then it's good enough for Putin lol 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hambone 950 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 20 minutes ago, kanny said: There's some rose tinted glasses there lol it all depends on how deep you want to scratch I suppose, there's evidence that the kremlin were paying Russians to move into the south resulting in friction by design, its a well known tactic of putin and has been used on many of the surrounding former USSR tinpot states and using banana Republic tactics and rigged elections to get the right people in power in those areas, im not saying Ukraine are any better by the way. I suppose if its good enough for the CIA then it's good enough for Putin lol Substituting a few words would bring that statement a lot closer to home. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,246 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 4 hours ago, Bangersanmash said: When you say who his this bloke WILF. Yes who his this bloke. What I like about this story of zalensky is that he was a stand up comedian that's now running his country. For me a love that , how he goes & gets involved with his troops. Dresses down in normal day to day clothing never in a suit. That there alone makes you feel settled " from the military perspective " He's always interacting with the soldiers plus the genral public too keeping them posted. Must be hard for a country living next to a bigger power like Russia. "Knowing before the war starting day by day Putin could invade again like in 2014 ". And this man zalensky knowing he has to be ready for this. At the back of your mind Knowing you've not got enough fire power to fight Putin. Hoping that we get some help from Europe. Which thank God we did help them. The reason Putin doesn't like zalensky is that the Ukrainian people like zalensky for who he his. Not because there afraid of him or the goverment. You don't see zalensky poisoning his goverment or closest friends that he needs rid of incase they open their mouths on him. He doesn't need to do that because he's not done anything unseen towards people out there like Putin has. Putin is jealous due to the fact he was a comedian & look where he his now running a country. And what a like about zalensky he's not afraid to keep fighting. Why should they give any territory up to Russia not one foot of land. And I hope they take Crimea back too. Interesting perspective mate, I doubt Putin is jealous of Zalenskys career prior to politics seeing as Putin was a full Colonel in the KBG but you never know. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,246 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bangersanmash said: It's a catch 22 because like my grandfather said one less vote for labour is another vote for them b*****ds conservatives. Because say you vote for another group. The group will never get in so you've wasted your vote and giving conservative what they wanted. If enough people vote for someone else they get in, period. More importantly, if nobody votes for Labour or Tory they don’t get in….and that’s the really important thing. They don’t have to form a whole government, they just have to keep the main party candidates out. Quote So think before you waste that vote. Doing the same and expecting different is wasting a vote imho, but that’s just my opinion mate. Quote It's sad because we say labour will be the same. They've got no choice when they've been left this country that's been turned upside down by some inconsiderate b*****ds that's got money and don't give two hoots for us working class people of England today. People talk like the country has only existed for the term of the previous party in power, it hasn’t ! Its only ever been Labour or Tory since the war, and this is where we are at ! They both have had eighty years to get it right and all they have both done is betray us, I’d think that was obvious. Quote I'm a big believer that they should scrap diffrent parties and that in this need of time. The goverments should pull together as one party. The bones of an idea but it’s no good if it’s just the same people, they are working together anyway, they just don’t tell us that. Quote Before this country ends up like these 3rd world countries. Yeah, that ship has sailed on the Tory & Labour watch mate. Quote If you've noticed since these immigrants are crossing the boards. We're find more disease & viruses coming into the country. TB is an epidemic in London, what do you expect. Quote My grandfather won't go round our local town centre anymore due to the population of diffrent nationalities. It's him that said you'll see disease's pop up that we got rid of back in late 50s 60s. Just think of all the nasties ie bugs , insects , and rest of shit brought on these boats. It's ashame how they've ruined this country and we've let it happen Your grandad is spot on. We let it happen because we didn’t have the brains to vote for other people and make it stop. Edited January 19, 2024 by WILF 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,246 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 Here’s a thought that just occurred to me, Putin and Russia is such a clear and present danger to Europe that the UK government is totally fine with closing a steel works in Port Talbot and relying on foreign imports instead ? Something don’t quiet add up there. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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paulus 26 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 41 minutes ago, WILF said: Here’s a thought that just occurred to me, Putin and Russia is such a clear and present danger to Europe that the UK government is totally fine with closing a steel works in Port Talbot and relying on foreign imports instead ? Something don’t quiet add up there. Nothing does add up mate. Our Army stands at around 66.000 plus a few thousand Marines. Remind me again how many fighting age men we have allowed in on small boats? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,246 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 (edited) 59 minutes ago, kanny said: I have to be honest and say I don’t believe a word of that. Suggesting that if Trump wins it emboldens Putin ?……peace was breaking out all over the show under Trump. My first thought is, who is pulling that old boys strings and who is funding him. Senior military men touting the prospect of war to secure the future of the military is nothing new either mate. Baltic states saying we need to invest in them more, what they mean is “Let’s tell them daft c**ts to transfer a load of money to us seeing as they are giving it away” Im not saying there’s not going to be a war because I think that’s the way we are heading but sanity prevents war and it’s us with more than our share of head cases. When Trump says if he wins he will end these conflicts in a week I think he genuinely means it, wether he can, I don’t know but his track record backs him. That whole piece just stunk of socialist European cabal rhetoric. Edited January 19, 2024 by WILF 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,246 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 4 minutes ago, paulus said: Nothing does add up mate. Our Army stands at around 66.000 plus a few thousand Marines. Remind me again how many fighting age men we have allowed in on small boats? At 66 k I don’t think we are an army, I think that makes us a militia ?….could be wrong Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,246 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 (edited) Just looked that old boy up and read some of his writings, he is without doubt a well qualified and clever dude. He holds senior positions in university’s and on the whole is a well respected academic on the subject of military history and military thinking. But when you read his essays there is a whiff of lefty about him that he never quiet says out loud…..I’m not saying my mind is anything like as clever as that bloke and his experience on the ground in conflicts is without question but I couldn’t help but think he is detached from ordinary peoples daily reality, reading one essay had me thinking “we don’t live in that space anymore” Edited January 19, 2024 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,647 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 1 hour ago, WILF said: I have to be honest and say I don’t believe a word of that. Suggesting that if Trump wins it emboldens Putin ?……peace was breaking out all over the show under Trump. My first thought is, who is pulling that old boys strings and who is funding him. Senior military men touting the prospect of war to secure the future of the military is nothing new either mate. Baltic states saying we need to invest in them more, what they mean is “Let’s tell them daft c**ts to transfer a load of money to us seeing as they are giving it away” Im not saying there’s not going to be a war because I think that’s the way we are heading but sanity prevents war and it’s us with more than our share of head cases. When Trump says if he wins he will end these conflicts in a week I think he genuinely means it, wether he can, I don’t know but his track record backs him. That whole piece just stunk of socialist European cabal rhetoric. Tbh I watched the few seconds coz I'm working, the clickbait title got me good, I should know better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,844 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 1 hour ago, WILF said: Here’s a thought that just occurred to me, Putin and Russia is such a clear and present danger to Europe that the UK government is totally fine with closing a steel works in Port Talbot and relying on foreign imports instead ? Something don’t quiet add up there. China is the other big bad bogey man we are told to be scared of.....yet we close our industries to buy everything from china, and allow them to buy our infrastructure and big companies . 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 22,844 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 Piles and piles of Chinese COVID tests all being shredded and burnt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,647 Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 Tragically funny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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