What career path would you have trod if….

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4 minutes ago, WILF said:

What about the pop career ?….would you still do that mate ?

Would you f**k off! 

[Born Hunter 17,751]

3 minutes ago, mackem said:

Gone off on a “We really don’t like Diane Abbott” tangent Born,you know how it is.

Have we ever done that before? 

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11 minutes ago, mackem said:

She really is an odious woman.

Our Home Secretary if Corbyn had won in 2019........

Cheers.

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On 17/11/2023 at 16:36, Greyman said:

Remember her think she lived over kingswood and her old man was a roofer lol

Yes mate cracking house, and he also owned the Tattoo shop on Two Mile hill she was rough as assholes and think he had connections with the local bikers. Did some work on their "studios" at the back of crews hole in St George after they left Hotwells, separate rooms each was set out different, barn, doctors surgery etc it was a Sunday so know one was about. Right next door he also had a photo studio for parents with kids for family portraits, it was all legit never crossed over in any way just didn't seem right. They donated a shit load of money to local community projects and sometimes it was sent back, nice people really deep down.         

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19 hours ago, chartpolski said:

Labour will close grammar schools and effectively prevent a lot of less affluent parents sending their children to private schools by putting VAT on school fees.

What have Labour got against aspiration, why should more gifted children be discriminated against , is it simply class hatred ?

Cheers.

I don't  vote Labour but fully support their intention to bring private schools into line with other businesses and make them pay VAT. It would raise over a billion in tax which could be ploughed into the education budget. Why should the poor pay for the education of the rich?

Under the tories the UK's spending on education is way behind comparable countries . Education is not a priority for the tories. They send their kids to 'hothouse' private schools and are dismissive about the public sector. This us true of health too. Again UK's spending is way behind that of comparable countries. All countries suffered from Covid but only the UK has 7 million people on waiting lists.

What do they spend our taxes on? Other than fraudulent Covid contracts?

Most parents want the best for their kids. But many had a bad experience at schools and tend to feel uncomfortable appearing at parents evenings or joining parent governing bodies. It doesn't mean they don't love their kids or want the best for them.

Many studies show comprehensive schools do equally well academically as grammar schools and often better.

The old eleven plus was a ridiculous exam. It was based on the now discredited belief that intelligence was an innate quality. Separating kids into losers and winners at 11 was a ridiculous and cruel practice. Working class boys in particular who did pass the eleven plus performed very badly in grammar schools. The culture of grammar schools made them feel inferior and they felt they did not belong in such an environment. (I know I was one of them. )Again research shows they do much better in comprehensive schools.

Grammar schools tend to siphon middle class children  and their parents away from Comprehensives. Where there are no grammar schools, professional parents are very good at driving up standards in comprehensives. They know the buttons to press and won't accept second best. It's good for children of all types to mix. Educational apartheid is wrong.

So it is perfectly reasonable to charge VAT to private schools. The tories have got away with this anomaly for far too long. The present situation builds  a wall between two classes of people and the poor have to pay for the building and maintenance of the wall. 

But don't worry. Starmer won't do it. He's a pound shop Blair. He will serve a term and then earn a million pounds a speech on the lecture circuit.

 

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38 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I don't  vote Labour but fully support their intention to bring private schools into line with other businesses and make them pay VAT. It would raise over a billion in tax which could be ploughed into the education budget. Why should the poor pay for the education of the rich?

Under the tories the UK's spending on education is way behind comparable countries . Education is not a priority for the tories. They send their kids to 'hothouse' private schools and are dismissive about the public sector. This us true of health too. Again UK's spending is why behind that of comparable countries.

What do they spend our taxes on? Other than fraudulent Covid contracts.

Most parents want the best for their kids. But many had a bad experience at schools and tend to feel uncomfortable appearing at parents evenings or joining parent governing bodies. It doesn't mean they don't love their kids or want the best for them.

Many studies show comprehensive schools do equally well academically as grammar schools and often better.

The old eleven plus was a ridiculous exam. It was based on the now discredited belief that intelligence was an innate quality. Separating kids into losers and winners at 11 was a ridiculous and cruel practice. Working class boys in particular who did pass the eleven plus performed very badly in grammar schools. The culture of grammar schools made them feel inferior and they felt they did not belong in such an environment. (I know I was one of them. )Again research shows they do much better in comprehensive schools.

Grammar schools tend to siphon middle class children  and their parents away from Comprehensives. Where there are no grammar schools, professional parents are very good at driving up standards in comprehensives. They know the buttons to press and won't accept second best. It's good for children of all types to mix. Educational apartheid is wrong.

So it is perfectly reasonable to charge VAT to private schools. The tories have got away with this anomaly for far too long. The present situation builds  a wall between two classes of people and the poor have to pay for the building and maintenance of the wall. 

But don't worry. Starmer won't do it. He's a pound shop Blair. He will serve a term and then earn a million pounds a speech on the lecture circuit.

 

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Putting VAT on private schools could end up being “cost neutral” according to some studies. 
The people who can just about manage to pay the school fees will be forced to take their children out of private schools when the 20% VAT is added, and put them into state schools, thereby either increasing the class sizes or employing more teachers and building more schools.

I can make the case for grammar schools and private education, you can rebut everything I say, it just boils down to our political outlook and whatever we think is best for our children.

Cheers.

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58 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I don't  vote Labour but fully support their intention to bring private schools into line with other businesses and make them pay VAT. It would raise over a billion in tax which could be ploughed into the education budget. Why should the poor pay for the education of the rich?

Please tell me you don’t believe that any “tax” raised would be put back into the education budget ?……..come on mate, you are smarter than that.

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Under the tories the UK's spending on education is way behind comparable countries . Education is not a priority for the tories. They send their kids to 'hothouse' private schools and are dismissive about the public sector. This us true of health too. Again UK's spending is way behind that of comparable countries. All countries suffered from Covid but only the UK has 7 million people on waiting lists.

I loath the Tory’s but let’s not forget, the country hasn’t only existed for 13 years !……this is endemic under both main party’s.

There are at least 20 million (at least !!!) too many people in the country, these institutions can’t cope with that !

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What do they spend our taxes on? Other than fraudulent Covid contracts?

They piss it away on nonsense and wars that ain’t ours and housing the world and printing signs that say a man is a woman and black history month and a million other bits of shit…..

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Most parents want the best for their kids. But many had a bad experience at schools and tend to feel uncomfortable appearing at parents evenings or joining parent governing bodies. It doesn't mean they don't love their kids or want the best for them.

No, it means they need to get the f**k over themselves, join in, help and stop leaving it to others !

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Many studies show comprehensive schools do equally well academically as grammar schools and often better.

What studies ?……if you are talking about OFSTED ? It’s a crock of shit !

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The old eleven plus was a ridiculous exam. It was based on the now discredited belief that intelligence was an innate quality. Separating kids into losers and winners at 11 was a ridiculous and cruel practice. Working class boys in particular who did pass the eleven plus performed very badly in grammar schools. The culture of grammar schools made them feel inferior and they felt they did not belong in such an environment. (I know I was one of them. )Again research shows they do much better in comprehensive schools.

Kids do best in schools where they feel most comfortable, period !

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Grammar schools tend to siphon middle class children  and their parents away from Comprehensives. Where there are no grammar schools, professional parents are very good at driving up standards in comprehensives. They know the buttons to press and won't accept second best. It's good for children of all types to mix. Educational apartheid is wrong.

Some people are bricklayers and some people are brain surgeons…..that’s life, you can’t engineer equality of outcome by making everyone work to the lowest common denominator 

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So it is perfectly reasonable to charge VAT to private schools. The tories have got away with this anomaly for far too long. The present situation builds  a wall between two classes of people and the poor have to pay for the building and maintenance of the wall. 
 

No it isn’t because as always happens it will benefit nobody except the government and damage kids who may have otherwise had access to a better standard 

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But don't worry. Starmer won't do it. He's a pound shop Blair. He will serve a term and then earn a million pounds a speech on the lecture circuit.

 

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These people are scum, didn’t you get the memo ?

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Yes everything is down to politics and the particular slant on the world you hold.

People who claim they would be forced to leave the private sector and have their children educated by the state would be very " pushy" parents with very sharp elbows and would be very astute in making sure their particular Comprehensive  got sufficient funding. If that means more teachers and new schools..brilliant.

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2 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Yes everything is down to politics and the particular slant on the world you hold.

People who claim they would be forced to leave the private sector and have their children educated by the state would be very " pushy" parents with very sharp elbows and would be very astute in making sure their particular Comprehensive  got sufficient funding. If that means more teachers and new schools..brilliant.

Schools are not funded that way !

Schools are funded on the roll.

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2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Please tell me you don’t believe that any “tax” raised would be put back into the education budget ?……..come on mate, you are smarter than that.

I loath the Tory’s but let’s not forget, the country hasn’t only existed for 13 years !……this is endemic under both main party’s.

There at least 20 million (at least !!!) too many people in the country, these institutions can’t cope with that !

They piss it away on nonsense and wars that ain’t ours and housing the world and printing signs that say a man is a woman and black history month and a million other bits of shit…..

No, it means they need to get the f**k over themselves, join in, help and stop leaving it to others !

What studies ?……if you are talking about OFSTED ? It’s a crock of shit !

Kids do best in schools where they feel most comfortable, period !

Some people are bricklayers and some people are brain surgeons…..that’s life, you can’t engineer equality of outcome by making everyone work to the lowest common denominator 

No it isn’t because as always happens it will benefit nobody except the government and damage kids who may have otherwise had access to a better standard 

These people are scum, didn’t you get the memo ?

You ask “ what will they do with the tax’s”, well, Sunak was on TV this morning bragging that we are giving an EXTRA £30 million to one overseas government and £100 million to another. Cameron , the new Foreign Secretary and his deputy , Andrew Mitchell, the overseas aid minister, are already lobbying Sunak to raise the £10 billion we already give, from 0.5 % of GDP to 0.7%, while the Chancellor Jeremy Hunt is saying he’s going to cut benefits!

what planet are these people on ? Who is advising them that this will get them votes ?

Cheers.

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5 minutes ago, WILF said:

Please tell me you don’t believe that any “tax” raised would be put back into the education budget ?……..come on mate, you are smarter than that.

I loath the Tory’s but let’s not forget, the country hasn’t only existed for 13 years !……this is endemic under both main party’s.

There are at least 20 million (at least !!!) too many people in the country, these institutions can’t cope with that !

They piss it away on nonsense and wars that ain’t ours and housing the world and printing signs that say a man is a woman and black history month and a million other bits of shit…..

No, it means they need to get the f**k over themselves, join in, help and stop leaving it to others !

What studies ?……if you are talking about OFSTED ? It’s a crock of shit !

Kids do best in schools where they feel most comfortable, period !

Some people are bricklayers and some people are brain surgeons…..that’s life, you can’t engineer equality of outcome by making everyone work to the lowest common denominator 

No it isn’t because as always happens it will benefit nobody except the government and damage kids who may have otherwise had access to a better standard 

These people are scum, didn’t you get the memo ?

Accept most of your comments. And fully agree that children do best in schools they feel most comfortable in. Also agree presents should get off their arses and have much more input in schools.

No not Ofsted studies. The inspectorate are another layer of parasitic bureacrats who make teachers jobs harder.

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9 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Accept most of your comments. And fully agree that children do best in schools they feel most comfortable in. Also agree presents should get off their arses and have much more input in schools.

No not Ofsted studies. The inspectorate are another layer of parasitic bureacrats who make teachers jobs harder.

Let me tell you something for a fact mate, the best thing parents can do for their child’s education isn’t insist that private schools pay VAT or that grammar schools are done away with….no…..the single best and most important thing they can do is stick their hand up, make time and go down the school, join in and help.

PTA, Parent Governor, Reader, helping at the fete, taking the school into the community at local events by setting up a little stall and getting the kids out there volunteering, going sports day, going to the school play and sticking £2 in the raffle, being the extra body on school trips to help out teachers, going to parents evening and actually engaging and talking…..schools need help, teachers need help, they welcome it…….people should stop palming this off to others and get involved, then kids will have better outcomes. 

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2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Let me tell you something for a fact mate, the best thing parents can do for their child’s education isn’t insist that private schools pay VAT or that grammar schools are done away with….no…..the single best and most important thing they can do is stick their hand up, make time and go down the school, join in and help.

PTA, Parent Governor, Reader, helping at the fete, taking the school into the community at local events by setting up a little stall and getting the kids out there volunteering, going sports day, going to the school play and sticking £2 in the raffle, being the extra body on school trips to help out teachers, going to parents evening and actually engaging and talking…..schools need help, teachers need help, they welcome it…….people should stop palming this off to others and get involved, then kids will have better outcomes. 

Me and my Mrs have done all that stuff and thoroughly enjoyed it. I've taught lots of kids to fish and taken themto trout farms and let them play and land salmon. I've also go in every year to give the case for field sports. Kids are usually very open minded about the issue. 

A good comp is a proper community school which involves everybody .old and young, middle and working class.

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41 minutes ago, WILF said:

Let me tell you something for a fact mate, the best thing parents can do for their child’s education isn’t insist that private schools pay VAT or that grammar schools are done away with….no…..the single best and most important thing they can do is stick their hand up, make time and go down the school, join in and help.

PTA, Parent Governor, Reader, helping at the fete, taking the school into the community at local events by setting up a little stall and getting the kids out there volunteering, going sports day, going to the school play and sticking £2 in the raffle, being the extra body on school trips to help out teachers, going to parents evening and actually engaging and talking…..schools need help, teachers need help, they welcome it…….people should stop palming this off to others and get involved, then kids will have better outcomes. 

Teachers very recently have complained they have to change nappies and potty train PRIMARY school children , because some parents can’t be bothered ! 
My missus said back when our kids were young they weren’t even allowed into nursery class unless the were out of nappies and potty trained. 
Of course these parents are a minority, but an ever growing minority .

Cheers.

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50 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Me and my Mrs have done all that stuff and thoroughly enjoyed it. I've taught lots of kids to fish and taken themto trout farms and let them play and land salmon. I've also go in every year to give the case for field sports. Kids are usually very open minded about the issue. 

A good comp is a proper community school which involves everybody .old and young, middle and working class.

100% mate