Some of y'all's folks

[Wolfdog91 7,102]

On a air rifle group that's about 50/50 US UK.  Some asked about air rifle for deer and apparently big bore air rifles arnt much of a thing over there so the UK where loosing it till we explained.....many where still pretty pissed for some reason. Well decided to make a lil post showing yes air rifles can can and have been taking big game right ? I mean that's what there groups are for sharing information and learning .

Well apparently guys out yalls way don't like the idea of shooting big game because I've been getting stuff like this , which I have to say I find pretty odd or a country who where kinda the poster child for big game hunting for the last 300years

Like some of them are just so ignorant on anything past shooting paper or something can't even relate. One guy said you shouldn't be killing anything before is based a problems and went about how you guys dont believe on predator control , he ended up getting booted after I brought all the guys I know from over there doing contract work during lambing season.  Christ some folks man

[mackem 26,693]

2 minutes ago, Wolfdog91 said:

On a air rifle group that's about 50/50 US UK.  Some asked about air rifle for deer and apparently big bore air rifles arnt much of a thing over there so the UK where loosing it till we explained.....many where still pretty pissed for some reason. Well decided to make a lil post showing yes air rifles can can and have been taking big game right ? I mean that's what there groups are for sharing information and learning .

Well apparently guys out yalls way don't like the idea of shooting big game because I've been getting stuff like this , which I have to say I find pretty odd or a country who where kinda the poster child for big game hunting for the last 300years

Like some of them are just so ignorant on anything past shooting paper or something can't even relate. One guy said you shouldn't be killing anything before is based a problems and went about how you guys dont believe on predator control , he ended up getting booted after I brought all the guys I know from over there doing contract work during lambing season.  Christ some folks man

Once you go beyond .177 or .22 sub-FAC you might as well be discussing nuclear fission lines lol

[DIDO.1 22,840]

Britain is entering the age of bullshitt. Truth and knowledge no longer count. Unfortunately the shooting world has diverged from country people/ knowledge and a shooter is often just that....a fckin mong who shoots.  The shooting world tried to save itself by getting numbers rather than bringing people through the ranks of learning. 

 

[mackem 26,693]

8 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Britain is entering the age of bullshitt. Truth and knowledge no longer count. Unfortunately the shooting world has diverged from country people/ knowledge and a shooter is often just that....a fckin mong who shoots.  The shooting world tried to save itself by getting numbers rather than bringing people through the ranks of learning. 

 

Hunters education classes in some American schools,one school in Alaska every kid does hunters education in seventh grade,UK is totally different.

[paulus 26]

Typical look at me i used an air rifle. All about the person wanting to have a moment of fame. Air rifles were used to kill men back in the 1700`s but lost favour due to there cost, 

[WILF 47,066]

1 hour ago, Wolfdog91 said:

On a air rifle group that's about 50/50 US UK.  Some asked about air rifle for deer and apparently big bore air rifles arnt much of a thing over there so the UK where loosing it till we explained.....many where still pretty pissed for some reason. Well decided to make a lil post showing yes air rifles can can and have been taking big game right ? I mean that's what there groups are for sharing information and learning .

Well apparently guys out yalls way don't like the idea of shooting big game because I've been getting stuff like this , which I have to say I find pretty odd or a country who where kinda the poster child for big game hunting for the last 300years

Like some of them are just so ignorant on anything past shooting paper or something can't even relate. One guy said you shouldn't be killing anything before is based a problems and went about how you guys dont believe on predator control , he ended up getting booted after I brought all the guys I know from over there doing contract work during lambing season.  Christ some folks man

Just for clarity, is that post you shared suggesting that people are knocking down those animals with 12lb/ft “rigs” ? 
If it is, then it’s total f***ing nonsense. 

[Wolfdog91 7,102]

4 minutes ago, WILF said:

Just for clarity, is that post you shared suggesting that people are knocking down those animals with 12lb/ft “rigs” ? 
If it is, then it’s total f***ing nonsense. 

Screen shot didn't show the whole post doubt one of these tuned down to  sub 12 would even get the slug out the barrel

[Wolfdog91 7,102]

1 hour ago, mackem said:

Once you go beyond .177 or .22 sub-FAC you might as well be discussing nuclear fission lines lol

I'm just saying if I can understand the basic concept of " yeah you can kill something with an air gun you just need to make it bigger and more powerful" I'd figure eveyone could. I'm not the brightest light in the chandelier lol

[paulus 26]

4 minutes ago, Wolfdog91 said:

I'm just saying if I can understand the basic concept of " yeah you can kill something with an air gun you just need to make it bigger and more powerful" I'd figure eveyone could. I'm not the brightest light in the chandelier lol

The use of compressed air to propel a projectile is an old concept dating back to 250 B.C., when Ktesbias II of Egypt drew plans and wrote of a weapon that would operate on mere air pressure.  Whether this gun was actually built is unknown.

In 1560, Hans Lobsigner produced a hand held air rifle that worked flawlessly.  He reportedly produced a large number of them in the late 1500's.  The oldest existing airgun is in the Royal Danish Arsenal in Copenhagen and dates from around 1580.

France, Holland, Italy and several other countries were producing airguns by the early 1600's and supplying them as arms for personal protection.  Otto Von Guerick (1602-1686) established the principle of the vacuum with the Madgeburg spheres.  He designed and built an air rifle using this surge principle.  His device, according to an article written by J.T. Haynes, was actually a type of cannon that used a detachable air reservoir connected to the cannon tube.  These "wind chambers", as they were called, generated considerable force, capable of propelling a four pound lead ball up to 500 yards.

One of the first mass produced airguns was of the bellows chamber design, a spring loaded bellows was used for power with an expanding ratchet device housed in the stock that was cranked or keyed to rewind the spring.  All bellows type guns were smooth bores according to James W. Harrom (Beeman Precision) and many shot tufted large diameter darts up to .50 caliber.  They were all breech loading in design with the barrel opening at the breech and tilting downward for loading.  Most of the bellows guns were of the long gun configuration, very few pistols were produced.  Most of the guns were very elaborate in design.  Bellows gun production was short lived in the 1500's, but regained popularity in the mid to late 1700's.  According to Mr. Harrom, most bellows guns date from 1740 to 1790 and seem to come from a small area bounded by Munich, Prague and Vienna.  The bellows airgun had all but disappeared by the late 1800's, but a few appear to have been made as late as the 1870's.

Another design that appeared on the scene around 1600 was the spring piston gun, with several variations of springs used in their operation.  From the zigzag shape to the helical coil spring, they were much like what is used in modern spring piston airguns.  A ratchet device is used to pump or crank the spring into a compressed position when loaded, then released by a trigger or unlatching mechanism.  By the early part of the 19th century the spring piston gun had established itself throughout Europe as an indoor target weapon.  By the mid 1800's this airgun had found it's way to the indoor shooting galleries on the North American continent, fast becoming a popular sport.  As weapons improved, they were placed into a number of classes for competition, from small caliber, smooth bore to large caliber, rifled.

The pump pneumatic gun has been worked on by inventors since the early 1600's, with a number of mechanism designs that were so involved that the system developed slowly when compared to the other systems mentioned.  The size ranged from .30 to .68 caliber, both smooth and rifled bores.  These weapons required a large volume of compressed air in a large reservoir.  They produced pressures from a few hundred pounds per square inch to several thousand pounds per square inch.  This much pressure would fire a .40 caliber lead ball forty times without resupplying the reservoir, and was able to penetrate 2.5 inches into a hard pine board.

There are a number of other manufacturers from other parts of the world that have had success with the airgun.  For example, an Austrian firm using a design by Bartolemeno Girandoni in 1779 made weapons that ranged from .40 to .52 caliber and were capable of firing 15 to 20 rounds per minute by a gravity feed magazine.

Louis VII Landgrave of Hesse (1691-1768) used a large bore air rifle to kill a 500 pound elk at 150 paces in 1746-1748.   In North America, the journals of the Lewis and Clark expedition (1804-1806) show their .31 caliber pneumatic rifle, made in Philadelphia by Issaih Lukens, capable of 40 full power shots at 900 PSI with 1,000 pump strokes for raised pressure.  As late as the 1890's we saw pneumatic weapons disguised as walking sticks and canes ranging from .40 to .50 caliber which were capable of killing a man at fifty yards.

[mackem 26,693]

25 minutes ago, Wolfdog91 said:

I'm just saying if I can understand the basic concept of " yeah you can kill something with an air gun you just need to make it bigger and more powerful" I'd figure eveyone could. I'm not the brightest light in the chandelier lol

England and America are two countries separated by the same language.

[WILF 47,066]

32 minutes ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Screen shot didn't show the whole post doubt one of these tuned down to  sub 12 would even get the slug out the barrel

Fair one, I have seen some of the big game air rifles in action on video and to be honest, if they are engineered to give the same velocity & impact and the round can do the same damage then I don’t see a problem with them.

Its something different.

For everyday use, I’m sure carrying rounds is better than carrying a compressor so for me, the practicality’s would far outweigh the novelty factor. 

[WILF 47,066]

Just to add, to me these things are like a fully automatic shotgun….fun for a piss about but of no practical real world use or at least soundly bested by every day, common use weapons and ammunition.

[chartpolski 23,827]

Napoleon considered snipers using air rifles to be so feared and dangerous that he ordered anyone captured to be executed immediately, not to be treated as prisoners of war.

Cheers.

[mackem 26,693]

Brits in an airgun tent at the game fair…

Steve-My .177 trajectory is flat out to 20 yards and has great penetration on squirrels.

Dave-But my .22 hits harder on rabbits.

(enter Chad a Texan over in the UK on vacation)…….

 

[WILF 47,066]

1 minute ago, chartpolski said:

Napoleon considered snipers using air rifles to be so feared and dangerous that he ordered anyone captured to be executed immediately, not to be treated as prisoners of war.

Cheers.

That’s every member of the air gun section……in the words of Alan from Love, Honour & Obey “They are both feared and revered !” Lol