UK to phase out smoking?

[Borr 6,937]

All it means is they've replaced the revenue with gambling ....

[keepdiggin 9,567]

Remember making a “fortune” selling fags at school, use to sell them for 1.50 each on the bud on the way home 

[Daniel cain 47,026]

Just now, Borr said:

All it means is they've replaced the revenue with gambling ....

And putting these dodgy vapes that look like toys/sweets in easy access for the kids to shop lift in every shop

To create future addicts to cream off...

[mackem 28,651]

4 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Yeah,I can remember walking two miles at night, in a blizzard, to a fag machine. 

I would do the same for a……

[jukel123 9,046]

12 minutes ago, WILF said:

I’m an ex smoker, packed up 5 years ago for no other reason than I just didn’t like it anymore and it was silly because I was older, much less active and just couldn’t get away with it……but thank god, I’m not one of these hideous ex smokers lecturing everyone (I can find enough of that to do about almost everything else in the world ! Lol )

I have always believed that we have to draw lines in the sand but on tobacco that horse has bolted…..and also, nobody ever OD’ed on fags or sucked a cock in a bog for 20 benson.

So I think you can draw a firm distinction (imho) between fags and drugs and the drug pathway.

Fags are part of everyday life and when you allow the government to ban everyday things then it’s a a dangerous road.

We all learned that lesson with the hunting ban. 

 

Do people start smoking voluntarily or are they unfairly influenced to do so? Remember your first draw on a fag. You cough,retch and your eyes stream. It tastes like shit. But you go back to it because of peer pressure created by tobacco advertising. The advertising used to include all types of psychological tricks: it's cool,it's tough,it's communal,it's a stress relief,it's something you do to reward yourself,etc etc etc. You don't start out of the blue. Kids used to be bombarded with these messages. The tobacco barons are now targeting third world kids very successfully because they can't advertise here. The  are dealers in death. 

I've seen good people die from lung cancer and oesophagus cancer. They didn't have a choice. Freedom my arse.They were brainwashed into smoking and some,genuinely can't quit. It's not on. It should be phased out.

I now think back to the days when we used to come back from a night out with our hair and clothes stinking of tobacco as filthy medieval days. One of the best laws ever passed.

Edited October 30, 2023 by jukel123

[paulus 26]

39 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

With respect to your Mrs, fags don't relieve stress. Your mind tells you that's the case, but in reality, feeding the habit,constantly thinking about your next fix,knowing the damn things are attacking your health these worries cause stress. I quit after reading Alan Carrs book 'How To Stop Smoking'. He is big on explaining that tobacco addiction does not relieve stress it causes it.

No offence to your wife,but your wife should listen to the cardiologist not 'correct' him. He knows what he is talking about. I think your better half has gone into the meeting determined not to believe what he says about smoking. It's part of the grip tobacco has on her.

I know I sound like some pompous  know all,but I've lost a lot of people to smoking. If I had my way ,all the tobacco barons should be doing serious jail time for selling their product.

From a personal perspective, i have lost 3 good mates who all died within 9 months of giving up smoking, Coincidental?, perhaps!. She has the choice and that choice is hers to make. 

[paulus 26]

31 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Yeah,I can remember walking two miles at night, in a blizzard, to a fag machine. It's supposed to be as addictive as heroin.

Where i lived in Germany, fag machines were located on most corner houses Lol

[paulus 26]

21 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Do people start smoking voluntarily or are they unfairly influenced to do so? Remember your first draw on a fag. You cough,retch and your eyes stream. It tastes like shit. But you go back to it because of peer pressure created by tobacco advertising. The advertising used to include all types of psychological tricks: it's cool,it's tough,it's communal,it's a stress relief,it's something you do to reward yourself,etc etc etc. You don't start out of the blue. Kids used to be bombarded with these messages. The tobacco barons are now targeting third world kids very successfully because they can't advertise here. The  are dealers in death. 

I've seen good people die from lung cancer and oesophagus cancer. They didn't have a choice. Freedom my arse.They were brainwashed into smoking and some,genuinely can't quit. It's not on. It should be phased out.

I now think back to the days when we used to come back from a night out with our hair and clothes stinking of tobacco as filthy medieval days. One of the best laws ever passed.

We had a thing called the smoke room in the pubs here back in the day before they all became fancy eateries. 

[keepdiggin 9,567]

3 minutes ago, paulus said:

We had a thing called the smoke room in the pubs here back in the day before they all became fancy eateries. 

They must of been posh pubs Paul in the pubs round here you could smoke anywhere you wanted. Bar staff use to smoke while pouring you’re pint always some ash in you’re head of a pint lol

[mackem 28,651]

15 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

But you go back to it because of peer pressure created by tobacco advertising. 

Marlboro man always looked cool as to an impressionable kid,there was one advert where he was smoking a fag with a beautiful lass beside him as he flew his private jet over mountains (sigh) I wanted his lifestyle,he almost hooked me.

 

[paulus 26]

Just now, keepdiggin said:

They must of been posh pubs Paul in the pubs round here you could smoke anywhere you wanted. Bar staff use to smoke while pouring you’re pint always some ash in you’re head of a pint lol

Most of the old pubs from the 60`s had a bar, a snug, a lounge, an outdoor and a smoke room. the outdoor was where people would come and get empty bottles filled up to drink in home, One pub i frequented as a youngster had an outside toilet. that's ok you may be thinking but it was down 2 flights of very steep concrete steps that went down the side of the pub, on top of this the toilet was about 3ft from the canal, Made it very interesting in the winter when the snow and ice was about, especially when you had swallowed a gut full of ale, Lol.  

[jukel123 9,046]

18 minutes ago, paulus said:

Most of the old pubs from the 60`s had a bar, a snug, a lounge, an outdoor and a smoke room. the outdoor was where people would come and get empty bottles filled up to drink in home, One pub i frequented as a youngster had an outside toilet. that's ok you may be thinking but it was down 2 flights of very steep concrete steps that went down the side of the pub, on top of this the toilet was about 3ft from the canal, Made it very interesting in the winter when the snow and ice was about, especially when you had swallowed a gut full of ale, Lol.  

No offence mate. But you seem determined to defend the weed despite medics warnings.

I am not in favour of banning tobacco for adults.  In fact theres a good case for legalising drugs too imo. But the pub law is great. People died from passive smoking ..bar staff and club entertainers in particular. It's good to go home without your clothes and hair tainted with the stuff. I can remember sawdust and spittoons in certain pubs. Ceilings used to be dark yellow  with nicotine. People's eyes would stream.. even smokers eyes.Its definitely more civilised now.

 

[paulus 26]

6 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

No offence mate. But you seem determined to defend the weed despite medics warnings.

I am not in favour of banning tobacco for adults.  In fact theres a good case for legalising drugs too imo. But the pub law is great. People died from passive smoking ..bar staff and club entertainers in particular. It's good to go home without your clothes and hair tainted with the stuff. I can remember sawdust and spittoons in certain pubs. Ceilings used to be dark yellow  with nicotine. People's eyes would stream.. even smokers eyes.Its definitely more civilised now.

 

Apart from 75% have closed since the ban came into force. People breath in toxic fumes on a daily basis, Exhaust emissions, Bonfires, factory chimneys. to name but a few. The thing you are missing is, it is a choice to smoke and a choice to enter a place with fag smoke. How many people avoided the best pub in town because people smoked in there?  Does the government have the right to take that choice away? A very slippery slope if you ask me. 

[Daniel cain 47,026]

10 minutes ago, paulus said:

Apart from 75% have closed since the ban came into force. People breath in toxic fumes on a daily basis, Exhaust emissions, Bonfires, factory chimneys. to name but a few. The thing you are missing is, it is a choice to smoke and a choice to enter a place with fag smoke. How many people avoided the best pub in town because people smoked in there?  Does the government have the right to take that choice away? A very slippery slope if you ask me. 

Exactly.... Everyone should have that choice to choose,it shouldn't be taken away from you,by the cnuts that treat us no better than cattle

[jukel123 9,046]

14 minutes ago, paulus said:

Apart from 75% have closed since the ban came into force. People breath in toxic fumes on a daily basis, Exhaust emissions, Bonfires, factory chimneys. to name but a few. The thing you are missing is, it is a choice to smoke and a choice to enter a place with fag smoke. How many people avoided the best pub in town because people smoked in there?  Does the government have the right to take that choice away? A very slippery slope if you ask me. 

I do understand the choice argument and  the slippery slope  analogy and  I agree governments shouldn't normally be in the business of banning any freedom that people enjoy in their homes or privately. But tobacco smoke impacted on other people, sometimes fatally. What about their freedom?. Pub closures have more to do with other factors than with the tobacco ban. All pubs had to deal with the tobacco law not just the ones that closed. Others pubs are thriving, sports bars seem to do well and pubs that really make an effort with food. Although there will never be the pub culture there once was and I do miss that. Society has changed.