Migrants

[jukel123 8,023]

Just now, tatsblisters said:

To be fair on Kevin Barron he was a decent bloke at the pit and a good union man and did me a favour when i worked their it was just sad when he became an MP he just turned out like most MPs just in the job for what he could get and taking his constituants for granted knowing they would keep voting him in.

When you mentioned him the other day in a negative way, I looked him up but I couldn't find any dirt on him. He seemed straight up, even put his expenses in the window of his constituency office for everybody to see.

Did he become 'one of them' when he was elected?

[tatsblisters 9,732]

4 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

When you mentioned him the other day in a negative way, I looked him up but I couldn't find any dirt on him. He seemed straight up, even put his expenses in the window of his constituency office for everybody to see.

Did he become 'one of them' when he was elected?

He was not the MP for the part of Rotherham i live in . A lot slated him for his attack on Scargill and the union when he became an MP and apparently making a lot of money on a council property he had the right to by wile in London in the HOC i believe he now lives in the peak district far away from all the shite working class communitys have become under Tony Blairs open door from the EU and now made worst by these corrupt tories.

[TRUEBRIT66 1,527]

3 hours ago, mackay said:

My mate, a joiner, came off the tools fifty odd years old with shot knees. He got a job as a lecturer/teacher in a college and lasted less than a year.  Paperwork, politics,  targets, you get my drift.  Drives a taxi now.

That was kind of my point, most of the guys of that age that went on to become tradesman weren't particularly academically inclined either. So what better people to show youngster that are not that way inclined as well ? Its the paperwork, politics and targets that appeal to the Tarquins of this world, change the whole system to suit the individuals.     

[jukel123 8,023]

2 hours ago, tatsblisters said:

He was not the MP for the part of Rotherham i live in . A lot slated him for his attack on Scargill and the union when he became an MP and apparently making a lot of money on a council property he had the right to by wile in London in the HOC i believe he now lives in the peak district far away from all the shite working class communitys have become under Tony Blairs open door from the EU and now made worst by these corrupt tories.

I agree to an extent. But you said yourself if the mining union was still strong then Maybe the Rotherham child rape cases would have been stopped in its tracks. I don't have a problem with unions becoming  involved in politics. Everything is about power and politics. IMO when the unions lost their power wages and conditions and respect for working people went backwards in this country.

There's always been a huge class divide between unions and employers in the UK. In many countries they are seen positively by employers  and they work together. Take the rail strike now. The government is backing and  funding the train companies . That's daft. If the train companies were losing ticket sales they would soon negotiate.  But the government is determined to break the union no matter the  cost to us the taxpayers and to rail passengers.

Edited November 17, 2023 by jukel123

[TRUEBRIT66 1,527]

13 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I agree to an extent. But you said yourself if the mining union was still strong then Maybe the Rotherham child rape cases would have been stopped in its tracks. I don't have a problem with unions becoming  involved in politics. Everything is about power and politics. IMO when the unions lost their power wages and conditions and respect for working people went backwards in this country.

There's always been a huge class divide between unions and employers in the UK. In many countries they are seen positively by employers  and they work together. Take the rail strike now. The government is backing and  funding the train companies . That's daft. If the train companies were losing ticket sales they would soon negotiate.  But the government is determined to break the union no matter the  cost to us the taxpayers and to rail passengers.

Unions are involved in politics anyway and are as corrupt as the government so they are two of the same IMO.

Serious question though I'm interested to know how the unions would have stopped the child rape cases especially as they are advocates of mass immigration ? 

 

[jukel123 8,023]

58 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Unions are involved in politics anyway and are as corrupt as the government so they are two of the same IMO.

Serious question though I'm interested to know how the unions would have stopped the child rape cases especially as they are advocates of mass immigration ? 

 

I think you would have to ask tatblisters because he made the point and he was a miner. Nobody is happy with the way the rape and torture of British children by primarily Pakistani grooming gangs was handled or the punishments received by the abusers. If I had still been working and a general strike was called to address the mass torture properly, I would have supported it without a doubt. If the unions had gone on strike and said 'enough is enough we will return to work when these b*****ds are locked up for life or deported' then Britain might feel better about itself. The government would have passed stricter laws  pronto.

I'm not sure unions support "mass immigration". Can you point me to proof of that point? I think they support migrants joining unions once they arrive here. Not all immigration is bad. We don't want to be an island which completely cuts itself off from the world.  But immigration  levels have been painfully,  ridiculously high since the tories took us into Europe. And most of these foreign workers were/are  non union which means unionised British workers are undercut.

You made another point the other day about unions picketing a company which was supplying arms to Israel. I support that right. Unions are a legitimate force. They can do what their members want. 

Check out the stats of countries with high union membership and their workers' wages and conditions. There is a definite correlation. There is much less them and us in highly unionised  countries and lot  less snobbery around people who work with their hands as opposed to those who don't.

Edited November 17, 2023 by jukel123

[TRUEBRIT66 1,527]

48 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I think you would have to ask tatblisters because he made the point and he was a miner. Nobody is happy with the way the rape and torture of British children by primarily Pakistani grooming gangs was handled or the punishments received by the abusers. If I had still been working and a general strike was called to address the mass torture properly, I would have supported it without a doubt. If the unions had gone on strike and said 'enough is enough we will return to work when these b*****ds are locked up for life or deported' then Britain might feel better about itself. The government would have passed stricter laws  pronto.

I'm not sure unions support "mass immigration". Can you point me to proof of that point? I think they support migrants joining unions once they arrive here. Not all immigration is bad. We don't want to be an island which completely cuts itself off from the world.  But immigration  levels have been painfully,  ridiculously high since the tories took us into Europe. And most of these foreign workers were/are  non union which means unionised British workers are undercut.

You made another point the other day about unions picketing a company which was supplying arms to Israel. I support that right. Unions are a legitimate force. They can do what their members want. 

Check out the stats of countries with high union membership and their workers' wages and conditions. There is a definite correlation. There is much less them and us in highly unionised  countries and lot  less snobbery around people who work with their hands as opposed to those who don't.

Attending protests with banners from unite and unison saying refugees welcome here would suggest they are referring to all refugees unless they only want the good ones ?

Unions can and should do what their members want correct 100%.  One member on here has already stated he would leave the union if they got involved in the Israel/Palestine issue and I know of many who left in the 90's when they got involved with protests against the BNP so again, were the paid up members offered a vote? If they were and a majority voted I will hold my hands up and apologise, if they didn't and took action because that is there own political viewpoint that is wrong and not very democratic.  

My father was and always will be a staunch union man, he always said he'd fight for a pay rise and the non union members would still receive it when or if it was awarded and that was wrong, something you cant argue with. What I do disagree with is the unions in this country are not like they used to be, they don't appear to have the British working mans (and womens) rights as their core values anymore and are as corrupt as the politicians in government.        

[DIDO.1 22,829]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

I think you would have to ask tatblisters because he made the point and he was a miner. Nobody is happy with the way the rape and torture of British children by primarily Pakistani grooming gangs was handled or the punishments received by the abusers. If I had still been working and a general strike was called to address the mass torture properly, I would have supported it without a doubt. If the unions had gone on strike and said 'enough is enough we will return to work when these b*****ds are locked up for life or deported' then Britain might feel better about itself. The government would have passed stricter laws  pronto.

I'm not sure unions support "mass immigration". Can you point me to proof of that point? I think they support migrants joining unions once they arrive here. Not all immigration is bad. We don't want to be an island which completely cuts itself off from the world.  But immigration  levels have been painfully,  ridiculously high since the tories took us into Europe. And most of these foreign workers were/are  non union which means unionised British workers are undercut.

You made another point the other day about unions picketing a company which was supplying arms to Israel. I support that right. Unions are a legitimate force. They can do what their members want. 

Check out the stats of countries with high union membership and their workers' wages and conditions. There is a definite correlation. There is much less them and us in highly unionised  countries and lot  less snobbery around people who work with their hands as opposed to those who don't.

Every edl protest I attended had the unions making up part of the counter protest. Often stood next to the Asians holding signs saying 'islam will dominate the world'

[DIDO.1 22,829]

They are a bunch of cnuts and they have made it clear who's side they are on

[Lenmcharristar 9,779]

Theres no such thing as a good union, they are all run by scheming, corrupt, power hungry assholes, no doubt about it, seen theback handers the leaders take myself, corrupt left wing idiots money racket

[tatsblisters 9,732]

19 hours ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Theres no such thing as a good union, they are all run by scheming, corrupt, power hungry assholes, no doubt about it, seen theback handers the leaders take myself, corrupt left wing idiots money racket

In this day and age i tend to agree with you Len . However i am a member of a trade union and my subs are 15 pound a month and the reason i am is that it gives me a bit of insurance and i have only needed to call on them once through a work dispute were they if they had needed to 100pct with legal fees . The said incident was not of my making and if i had been a vindictive feker the manager in question would have probably lost his job also my next of kin get a 5k pay out if i got killed or dropped dead at work and the place i work at in the past had a bully of an operations manager who was a complete bastward with some of the workforce but would always avoid me.

[mackem 26,468]

On 14/11/2023 at 18:29, chartpolski said:

“Depriving developing countries’ can be looked at from different perspectives.

My lady is a member of a few online nursing groups,keeps in contact with her old mates who have scattered to the winds,her old hospital sent this out this morning,having to plug the nurse deficits with agency PSW’s.

They have a recruitment drive constantly trying to attract staff from across the country with a recruitment bonus.

 

[WILF 46,811]

19 minutes ago, mackem said:

My lady is a member of a few online nursing groups,keeps in contact with her old mates who have scattered to the winds,her old hospital sent this out this morning,having to plug the nurse deficits with agency PSW’s.

They have a recruitment drive constantly trying to attract staff from across the country with a recruitment bonus.

 

It would be a start if the U.K. paid these girls proper money instead of pissing it away on managers who couldn’t change a sticking plaster !

My wife and daughter work in the care sector and here it is connected to the health service so they get paid proper money with automatic yearly increase.

My daughter took herself to a course, passed her basic level 5 and she is copping a grand a week some weeks (she could do it every week if she wanted but likes to enjoy it a bit as well, who wouldn’t at 20) and she has enough time in lew saved up for 4 weeks off paid on top of her holiday.

She is going to do her degree and work have said she can do it alongside her job…..once she has that, it’s 70k for starters and only upwards from there.

In the U.K. people need the right money just to get by, pay them it, don’t treat them like shit and they will come. 

[mackem 26,468]

7 minutes ago, WILF said:

It would be a start if the U.K. paid these girls proper money instead of pissing it away on managers who couldn’t change a sticking plaster !

My wife and daughter work in the care sector and here it is connected to the health service so they get paid proper money with automatic yearly increase.

My daughter took herself to a course, passed her basic level 5 and she is copping a grand a week some weeks (she could do it every week if she wanted but likes to enjoy it a bit as well, who wouldn’t at 20) and she has enough time in lew saved up for 4 weeks off paid on top of her holiday.

She is going to do her degree and work have said she can do it alongside her job…..once she has that, it’s 70k for starters and only upwards from there.

In the U.K. people need the right money just to get by, pay them it, don’t treat them like shit and they will come. 

For any healthcare professional I would say go to the states,I know what they get paid and it isn’t buttons,even here a single nurse will be able to buy a nice house,get a good motor and actually thrive rather than survive.

[paulus 26]

Went into the local ALDI store earlier, There was a poster on the window advertising for store managers, Starting salary was £46500 rising to £64000 after so many years, Not a back crack that.