electric dog collar

[mr moocher 937]

i have a dogtra e collar but i rarely use it unless i have to,i gave my daughter a pup a while ago hes six mths old he is as stuborn as f**k and just wante to hunt ive told her to use my e collar but she thinks its cruel,shes going to try to train him with treats,i dont think this will work hes already interested in cows and hell only get worse i just wondered what peoples views on using e collar in certain cases thanks

[mC HULL 12,508]

2 minutes ago, mr moocher said:

i have a dogtra e collar but i rarely use it unless i have to,i gave my daughter a pup a while ago hes six mths old he is as stuborn as f**k and just wante to hunt ive told her to use my e collar but she thinks its cruel,shes going to try to train him with treats,i dont think this will work hes already interested in cows and hell only get worse i just wondered what peoples views on using e collar in certain cases thanks

there handy i think great for stock breaking like the pup needs 

[mr moocher 937]

his recall when he sees something is shit

[mr moocher 937]

i belive in them i can only see the pup coming back when it gets hold of a cow or sheep in a few mths ill have to train him then i have his brother hes spot on but a lot of works gone into him

[mr moocher 937]

 

[mr moocher 937]

hes already got in with the cows the c**t just wont come back its gonna be a big problem when he matures

[Borr 6,006]

If he's not been out and about with all kinds of stock yet then treats ain't doing much. You don't say age or breed but I'd be inclined to take him with steady dogs around stock see how he behaves. If he's got no recall then I'm guessing he's not stock trained. If your daughter doesn't work him then he's probably bored? I think e collars are effective but you need a plan and is it for breaking to stock or enforcing recall etc. You could use it on vibrate to start training recall at distance with no distractions. Good luck 

[mr moocher 937]

yeah its for recall and stock training i forgot about the vibrate button tbh i think might need low shock with him but i could vibrate first then shock then hopefully use vibrate for recall thanks

[comanche 3,001]

2 hours ago, mr moocher said:

yeah its for recall and stock training i forgot about the vibrate button tbh i think might need low shock with him but i could vibrate first then shock then hopefully use vibrate for recall thanks

I could be wrong but l think shock collars are going to be banned early next year,,but obviously there are quite a few already in private hands.....

Treat vs chasing a cow isn't  much of an incentive for a dog to come back.   In fact get it wrong and the dog might start to associate getting a treat as a reward for chasing a cow then go back for another go!

Why was it let off the lead before it was stock trained or had a good recall ?  S'pect we've all been there  with our first dogs though .....

Back to basics ,dog on the lead,training to heel ,  the word "No" and lots of -possibly weeks of-  work to accustom the little dog to livestock as common  background sights rather than a focus of attention.

A friend's lurcher pup launched itself at my sheep once . Once being the word . After hitting the electric fence it never did it again.  Unfortunately it was so traumatised that every time it sees sheep it becomes a nervous wreck  to the point that tries to run home .

Yeh l know that all sounds a bit "Up my own arse" and l don't  know the dog or the circumstances but even if it's a quick fix the zapper won't  compensate for lack of basic training. It's  gotta be a last resort .

Still a bit of work to go on the chicken front with this one

Physician heal thyself !

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by comanche

[mr moocher 937]

2 hours ago, comanche said:

I could be wrong but l think shock collars are going to be banned early next year,,but obviously there are quite a few already in private hands.....

Treat vs chasing a cow isn't  much of an incentive for a dog to come back.   In fact get it wrong and the dog might start to associate getting a treat as a reward for chasing a cow then go back for another go!

Why was it let off the lead before it was stock trained or had a good recall ?  S'pect we've all been there  with our first dogs though .....

Back to basics ,dog on the lead,training to heel ,  the word "No" and lots of -possibly weeks of-  work to accustom the little dog to livestock as common  background sights rather than a focus of attention.

A friend's lurcher pup launched itself at my sheep once . Once being the word . After hitting the electric fence it never did it again.  Unfortunately it was so traumatised that every time it sees sheep it becomes a nervous wreck  to the point that tries to run home .

Yeh l know that all sounds a bit "Up my own arse" and l don't  know the dog or the circumstances but even if it's a quick fix the zapper won't  compensate for lack of basic training. It's  gotta be a last resort .

Still a bit of work to go on the chicken front with this one

Physician heal thyself !

he lives with my daughter i only found out when we had him over for two days,the collar wont scare him hes already very strong stubborn dog,but i think collars needed,but talkimg to my daughters like talking to a brick wall,he does need to hunt he is the dog with a patch,hes good as gold indoors,his brothers fine,thanks for the advice

 

 

 

 

 

[mr moocher 937]

hes a bull x from hunting lines

[Daniel cain 45,402]

Id sooner try the e collar and a long lead first...last thing you need is him grabbing someones stock mate....whole world of f***ing hurt then

[Mickey Finn 3,012]

16 hours ago, mr moocher said:

i have a dogtra e collar but i rarely use it unless i have to,i gave my daughter a pup a while ago hes six mths old he is as stuborn as f**k and just wante to hunt ive told her to use my e collar but she thinks its cruel,shes going to try to train him with treats,i dont think this will work hes already interested in cows and hell only get worse i just wondered what peoples views on using e collar in certain cases thanks

Hi, Mr. Moocher, it's pretty much the standard for of leash dog training. I would also say that the "purely positive" approach your daughter seems to favor is fine for teaching young pups to do what you say. When they get older and start showing their independence it's time for serious, organized training.

You don't mention the breeding. But I have a now aging collie/greyhound which didn't need a lot of e-collar work. Just to break him off of deer and wild turkeys (he managed to break himself off of bobcats). Joking aside this points out that a certain amount of force is required sometimes. As he got older, I could call him off of anything with voice alone. Did this have anything to do with the e-collar? I suppose it did. 

Wish your daughter good luck for me.

 

[mr moocher 937]

17 minutes ago, Mickey Finn said:

Hi, Mr. Moocher, it's pretty much the standard for of leash dog training. I would also say that the "purely positive" approach your daughter seems to favor is fine for teaching young pups to do what you say. When they get older and start showing their independence it's time for serious, organized training.

You don't mention the breeding. But I have a now aging collie/greyhound which didn't need a lot of e-collar work. Just to break him off of deer and wild turkeys (he managed to break himself off of bobcats). Joking aside this points out that a certain amount of force is required sometimes. As he got older, I could call him off of anything with voice alone. Did this have anything to do with the e-collar? I suppose it did. 

Wish your daughter good luck for me.

 

thankyou for the good advice

[downsouth 7,279]

A dog bred that way should have been stock broken from day one.First thing I do with any bull bred pup is get it straight in with livestock